Pansat has anounced the new Pansat 9000HD receiver coming in June.


Not much information on it yet accept that it is dual HD input.
Looks like a NICE UNIT.

i hope its true iv been waiting 4 a HD reciever to come out.:D

Are there any true FTA Hd channels available???

Pansat 9000HD Key Features
-ATSC/HD Dual Reception
-Satellite & Terrestrial Dual Input
-MPEG-2 & MPEG-4 Compliant
-DVB-S & DVB-S2 Compliant
-QPSK & 8PSK Compliant
-Support 4:2:2 & 4:2:0 Format
-USB 2.0 Host
-HDMI Out
-AC-3 Dolby Audio
-High Speed MIPS
-UHF Ready

I don't know much about these key features, but the "8PSK Compliant" got my attention. Does this mean what I think it means? (no more Sonicview 8000 + 8PSK module + board = $ arm + leg)
:D :D :D

Source: http://www.pansatusa.com/newmod.html (Hover your mouse pointer over unit on left side to see the key features.)

Pansat 9000HD Key Features
-ATSC/HD Dual Reception
-Satellite & Terrestrial Dual Input
-MPEG-2 & MPEG-4 Compliant
-DVB-S & DVB-S2 Compliant
-QPSK & 8PSK Compliant
-Support 4:2:2 & 4:2:0 Format
-USB 2.0 Host
-HDMI Out
-AC-3 Dolby Audio
-High Speed MIPS
-UHF Ready

I don't know much about these key features, but the "8PSK Compliant" got my attention. Does this mean what I think it means? (no more Sonicview 8000 + 8PSK module + board = $ arm + leg)
:D :D :D

Source: http://www.pansatusa.com/newmod.html (Hover your mouse pointer over unit on left side to see the key features.)

No what it means is the same as Sonicview 8000.
An add on module will be needed.
Legal problems with DN HD signal means all FTA HD Receivers will need add on plug ins to get DN HD Signal.

No what it means is the same as Sonicview 8000.
An add on module will be needed.
Legal problems with DN HD signal means all FTA HD Receivers will need add on plug ins to get DN HD Signal.

Setwire, Thanks for the clarification.

How many 8PSK modules have been released by DN? I don't think that there are enough of these to meet the anticipated demand of the new generation of fta HD receivers. Even before all the bugs are worked out on the first Sonicview 8000 units, the prices on 8PSK modules on the famous auction site are already through the roof. Although I would never knowingly buy a clone fta unit, I'd buy a clone 8PSK module at the right price. I hope that quality clone 8PSK modules flood the market to bring the price down.

Setwire, Thanks for the clarification.

How many 8PSK modules have been released by DN? I don't think that there are enough of these to meet the anticipated demand of the new generation of fta HD receivers. Even before all the bugs are worked out on the first Sonicview 8000 units, the prices on 8PSK modules on the famous auction site are already through the roof. Although I would never knowingly buy a clone fta unit, I'd buy a clone 8PSK module at the right price. I hope that quality clone 8PSK modules flood the market to bring the price down.

I would say as the HD FTA Boxes become popular some factory in china will be marketing clone 8psk units.
In fact i would venture to guess someone is working on these units as clones even as I type.
As demand increases prices will continue to increase then the clones will appear and the prices will plummet.
Lets just hope that whoever starts to manufacture the clones make the efort to make a quality product.

I would say as the HD FTA Boxes become popular some factory in china will be marketing clone 8psk units.
In fact i would venture to guess someone is working on these units as clones even as I type.
As demand increases prices will continue to increase then the clones will appear and the prices will plummet.
Lets just hope that whoever starts to manufacture the clones make the efort to make a quality product.



Ha this is different .. we are actually looking foward to clones hitting the market (8psk modules only of course). Lets hope they hit the markets soon. I would like to get into HD FTA but this is the only thing stopping me. COME ON clones!!!!!

Here's another thought! We are looking at 8PSK modules on that auction site and they are big $$$. Because there were not that many made, they were only made as an add on unit for the first generation HD receivers. All the new HD receivers have it built in. Is there a way of removing this portion of the receiver or atleast hooking up to this portion of the circuit board? It is cheaper to buy a new receiver now then it is to buy an 8PSK module. Of course if you go this way, you can always go plastic.

Could work for people with dead HD IRDs. Salvageable parts.

what does the 8psk modules do??

The pansat site has announced the official release of the 9000. It does seem to be 8psk compliant! I took a look at the Sonicview site and they make not mention fo 8psk. I think this one could be the real deal for DN HD. Let's hope that is the case.

The pansat site has announced the official release of the 9000. It does seem to be 8psk compliant! I took a look at the Sonicview site and they make not mention fo 8psk. I think this one could be the real deal for DN HD. Let's hope that is the case.

"Compliant" being the key word.
You will have to purchase 8PSK Module and adapter for this unit same as Sonicview or any other FTA HD receiver to be released in order to View DN HD.
The manufactures are not going to risk lawsuits by DN in order to sell their FTA HD Boxes.
"Compliant" and "Ready" are sales word used in all advertising.

Pansat website:
Pansat 9000HD introduced today May 15.

I think it would be nice to have clarification from someone who actually works with or for pansat on what exactly 8psk compliant actually means. We can speculate all we want, but until someone can provide a link to support the claims, I'll stick with what setwire says. You'll probably still need to buy the module, clone or not.

"Compliant" being the key word.
You will have to purchase 8PSK Module and adapter for this unit same as Sonicview or any other FTA HD receiver to be released in order to View DN HD.
The manufactures are not going to risk lawsuits by DN in order to sell their FTA HD Boxes.
"Compliant" and "Ready" are sales word used in all advertising.

One question though setwire, how do we really know that there would be something illegal with adding built in 8psk demodulation? If it's a patent issue, how is Genpix able to sell their Skywalker-1 box without being sued?

One question though setwire, how do we really know that there would be something illegal with adding built in 8psk demodulation? If it's a patent issue, how is Genpix able to sell their Skywalker-1 box without being sued?

Probably because they have a signed agreement with DN.

The only reason FTA Boxes actually make it as imports to North America is because when they arrive here they have bins on them that allow FTA Sat viewing only.

Same issue.

Just think of the 8PSK module as a bin file that enables us FTA users to watch encrypted Nagra 2 Signals.

Everyone knows the Manufacturers of FTA Receivers pay coders to release bins just nobody can prove it in court

As a previous Pansat owner, I have one question. How will the Pansat keep time? When they stick with the sucky manually set the time and depend on the crappy clock or when they join what most do now and obtain the time from the bird?

I am shocked no one asked this question regarding PanSat.

Probably because they have a signed agreement with DN.

The only reason FTA Boxes actually make it as imports to North America is because when they arrive here they have bins on them that allow FTA Sat viewing only.

Same issue.

Just think of the 8PSK module as a bin file that enables us FTA users to watch encrypted Nagra 2 Signals.

Everyone knows the Manufacturers of FTA Receivers pay coders to release bins just nobody can prove it in court

You can't think of the 8psk module as a bin file because it doesn't work on it's own. You would still need software to decrypt the nagra 2. All it is capable of doing is demodulating, so I don't see where the crime is being committed or where they would have a case.

As for Genpix having an agreement with DN, highly doubtful. Have you seen the information he talks about on other sites, specifically those dealing with pc related testing? If he had an agreement with them, he wouldn't be helping people decrypt them online, where it can't be traced easily.

I'm very curious to see how this turns out. I don't doubt that SOME manufacturer out there is bound to try and include 8psk modulation without the need of an external module.

As a previous Pansat owner, I have one question. How will the Pansat keep time? When they stick with the sucky manually set the time and depend on the crappy clock or when they join what most do now and obtain the time from the bird?

I am shocked no one asked this question regarding PanSat.



As far I know Pansat has this problem only on the 3500 and only with one chipset on that model.

Pansat has been around for a long time. They have always been well supported. I have a Pansat 3500SD and yes the clock has to be reset constantly. But even with that I am still happy with this unit.

Pansat is always trying to improve their products and I am confident that this issue will be fixed with these new models.

i think that pansat will have to say turbo fec 8psk to work with charlie's HD channels... i think that we need the module here too... or maybe not... we need to test it first...

i hope all this is true

I've got a 6000 that I'm holding on the while I research the situation. If all we'll need is the 8psk box then we can choose the best receiver for the job. Thats at least till a true stand alone is available.

I was wondering if we use one of the new HD units in combination with the additional hardware would the reception of MPEG4 HD channels be possible. I just haven't seen anyone using this setup so i'm still doubtful.

I want to buy a pansat 9000hd to watch DN HD channels. Is the bin file gonna be available on this site soon?

I've got a 6000 that I'm holding on the while I research the situation. If all we'll need is the 8psk box then we can choose the best receiver for the job. Thats at least till a true stand alone is available.

I was wondering if we use one of the new HD units in combination with the additional hardware would the reception of MPEG4 HD channels be possible. I just haven't seen anyone using this setup so i'm still doubtful.



Well one thing is for sure is the sonicview with the 8psk mod does indeed do "Mpeg4" easily...:rolleyes:

hi ,i cannot to see if this realy works

Pansat has anounced the new Pansat 9000HD receiver coming in June.


Not much information on it yet accept that it is dual HD input.
Looks like a NICE UNIT.

9000HD Digital Satellite Receiver

http://www.pansatusa.com/img/9000f.jpg
http://www.pansatusa.com/img/9000b.jpg


Features

• Standard Definition/High Definition contents (MPEG2 and support MPEG4 AVC/H.264)
• High Definition Video output : HDMI(HDCP) and YPbPr
• Audio Decoding :ISO/IEC13818-3(MPEG-2 audio/MUSICAM) Dolby AC-3
• Full Compliant of MPEG-S &DVB-S2 Digital & DVB broadcasting
•Satellite & Terrestrial Dual Tuner Input
• 950-2150 MHz input Frequency (IF Loop Throughout)
• Multi Satellite Scan
• Flexible receiption of SCPC & MCPC from C/Ku-Band Satellites
• Variable Input Symbol Rate (1-45 Msps)
• Video output resolution: 480p , 576p,720p,1080i
• User selectable output resolution
• EPG (Electronic Program Guide)
• Multi language OSD
• Fast Channel Change
• 10000 Channels TV & Radio program
• Timer Function (Automatic Turn On/ Off by Setting Function)
• RTC (Real Time Clock)
• PIG (Picture In Graphic)
• 5 Favorite List & Unlimited Programs per each
• Powerful Channel Editing Fuction
- Sorting: Alphabetic, Satellite, FTA/Scramble, Parental Lock
- Move, Delete, Favorite Edit
- Parental Lock, Channel Rename, Channel Skip
• Manual PID/ Satellite & TP/ Network Scan
• S/PDIF (Digital Audio or Dolby AC3 stream out)
• Diseqc 1.2 and USALS Compatiable
• Comparable of Setting the Frequency for SMATV System
• Software Upgrade via RS-232C (Receiver to Receiver, PC to Receiver)
• Software Upgrade by USB Memory Stick
• Component Out (Y Pb Pr)
• Universal 2 Remote
• UHF Ready(U-30 Kit Optional)


Complete Specifications

Front-End

2 Input Connector F-type, IEC 169-24
IF Input Frequency(Satellite) 950MHz to 2150MHz
RF Input Frequency(ATSC) 54-860 MHz
IF Loop Throughout 950MHz to 2150MHz
Input Level -65 dBm~-25 dBm
LNB Power 13 /18VDC / 500mA Max
DiSEqC Control 1.0,1.2 &USALS compatible
Band Switch 22KHz Tone(22 +/- 4KHz,Amplitude :0.6 +/-0.2V)
Modulation method LDPC/BCH(DVB-S2) 8PSK/QPSK, DVB-S QPSK
Symbol Rate LDPC/BCH(DVB-S2) 8PSK/QPSK :10~30Msps
DVB-S QPSK : 1~45Msps
Viterbi Decoding Rate 1/2,2/3,3/4,5/6 and 7/8 Bandwitdth 36MHz
LDPC/BCH Punctured Code ,1/2,2/3,3/4,3/5,4/5,5/6,8/9,9/10 in DVB-S2

MPEG transport Stream A/V Decoding

Demultiplex According to ISO/IEC 13818-1(MPEG-2 system)
Input Stream Max. 90Mbit/s
Aspect Ratio 4:3(default), 16:9 letterbox
Video Decoding ISO/IEC13818-2(MPEG2 vidoe)MP@HL,ISO/IEC 14496-10 HP@L4
Video Resolution 480p or 576p,720p,1080i
Audio Decoding ISO/IEC13818-3(MPEG2 audio/MUSICAM), Dolby AC-3
Audio Mode Single Channel /Dual Channel, Stereo, Joint Stereo
Video Ouput HDMI/HDCP,RCA


Microprocessor & Memories

Main Processor ARM926
CPU Clock 280MIPS
Flash Memory 8 Mbyte
SDRAM 128 Mbyte
EEPROM 32 Kbit

Data port

Connector 9 Pin D-Sub Type
Protocol RS232 Asynchronous
Data Rate Max. 19.2Kbps 115,2K

A/V output

Digital output HDMI/HDCP, YPbPr
Video RCA 1 output
Audio RCA 2 output
Digital Audio 1 optical output S/PDIF

Front Panel

4 Digits LED Channel Number Display
8 keys Power,Channel Down/Up, Volume up
down,Menu,Exit,OK
USB USB2.0 Host

Rear Panel

IF Input F-type Connector
IF Loopthrough output F-type Connector
6RCA Video, Audio L, Audio R, YPbPr
Modulator F-type
S/PDIF Optical
S-Video & UHF
HDMI Type A
RS232 Serial Port 9 Pin D-Sub Type
Signal Input ATSC RF Signal Input ATSC RF signal Input
Remote Control

Type Universal 2 Remote
Battery 2x1.5V AAA Type


Electrical and Mechanical

Input Voltage & Power Consumption AC 90-250V, 50/60Hz , Max. 40Watts

Size(WxDxH) 340x245x65mm
Weight 2.5kg

i just called my local dealer. they said, they will get them in on monday. cant wait, i hope someone writes a review.

8PSK (8 Phase Shift Keying) is a phase modulation algorithm.<P>

Phase modulation is a version of frequency modulation where the phase of the carrier wave is modulated to encode bits of digital information in each phase change.<P>

The "PSK" in 8PSK refers to the use of Phased Shift Keying. Phased Shift Keying is a form of phase modulation which is accomplished by the use of a discrete number of states. 8PSK refers to PSK with 8 states. With half that number of states, you will have QPSK. With twice the number of states as 8PSK, you will have 16PSK.<P>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-shift_keying

hi, please let us know if it works

Guess I should be thankful I kept that old DN HD box. Me thinks it still has the module installed. :D

Hard to tell by the pics if there is a place on the back to install the 8PSK module. Maybe in the front?

Sadly though the hardware may be good the support is about the same as with the other pansats.

First bin has large bugs and many of the same issues other pansats have.

Hope they get it together or the excuse of limited hardware holding the support back is going to go poof.

There hasn't been much more said about the 9000HD recently. I'm looking to buy 2 of these units if someone can confirm DN HD... Has anybody received one of these units yet?

BTW, may I suggest creating a section on this board that's specific for the 9000HD model? There are many other Pansat specific sections, just not one for the 9000HD -- and of course move 9000HD related threads to that section...

Hard to tell by the pics if there is a place on the back to install the 8PSK module. Maybe in the front?

No there is no facilities in the Pansat to add 8PSK Module.
So no DN HD with the Pansat 9000HD.

There hasn't been much more said about the 9000HD recently. I'm looking to buy 2 of these units if someone can confirm DN HD... Has anybody received one of these units yet?

BTW, may I suggest creating a section on this board that's specific for the 9000HD model? There are many other Pansat specific sections, just not one for the 9000HD -- and of course move 9000HD related threads to that section...

The answer is NO DN HD available with the Pansat 9000HD Receiver, and no facilities to add 8PSK Module which is what you need to receive DN HD Channels.

There will be no board created to discuss the Pansat 9000HD unit here as we all follow rule #6.
Hope that is plain enough for you.