I've got a 18*24 Dish with 3 LNBs that I have from my old DTV system ,can I use them and the dish to get 119 & 110 signals at the same time from Dish .. All the LNBs are duals so I have 6 connections all together.. also is there and special way they have to be conected to the LNBs.. As you can tell I'm new to this stuff... Any help would be great..

Thanks,

The oval tripple lnb from dave is not the dish you are looking for, due to the type of internal switch. Best use the older 18" round dishes with a switch in between or find yourself a superdish or regular dish 500.

Thanks for the info, so just to get it clear in my head, the LNBs for dave and dish are different internally that's why they won't work.. I was able to get signals from 119 and 110 but not at the same time even why I ran them through the switch that came with my CW receiver..

Yep...they are different(internal switch, lnb type and degree spread from the DN lnb's). The center on the tripple dave is "normally" useless.

I've got a 18*24 Dish with 3 LNBs that I have from my old DTV system ,can I use them and the dish to get 119 & 110 signals at the same time from Dish .. All the LNBs are duals so I have 6 connections all together.. also is there and special way they have to be conected to the LNBs.. As you can tell I'm new to this stuff... Any help would be great..

Thanks, I believe/think you are talking about the older phase3 dishes that have 3 dual lnbs. They were designed for 101,110 and 119. If this is in fact what you have, then yes you can use it but you must replace the lnb from the 110 spot and use the 101 lnb in the 110 slot. The 110 lnb will only get even or left polarity tps. You then can use the diseqc switch that came with your captiveworks receiver to connect them together.

Btw: besides the 110 lnb on your dish most DTV lnb are the same as DN. They have the same LO # as DN lnbs. They both use circular polarity lnbs. The problem with the newer DTv dishes is not the lnbs but the internal switch they use. FTA receivers do not have the internal code to run those switches.

Salty,
So I'll still be missing some channels off of 110 using this set up.. correct?

Salty,
So I'll still be missing some channels off of 110 using this set up.. correct?
Not if you swap the 101 and 110 lnbs. Hook the 119 lnb to port #1 on disec, hook the 110 lnb to port #2 on disec. Set up your menu to match your lnb type and switch port #'s and scan. You should get all channels on DN.

i just got a ELIPTICAL 4 WITH 3 STANDARD LNB'S
$99.99 cdn and it get's 119,110,101,91 and it works great a friend of mine as one and he says it works good can't wait to get mine up........ Its a oval 23" dish

I tried what you said but all I could pick up 1 sat at a time .. now I don;t think I mentioned this but.. this is an old DTV dual LNB set up from 4-5 years ago when they first switched to 119 & 110 for locals and stuff... the LNBs each have 2 connections on them, I read somewhere that they may not have the internal switching.. When I had the dish setup before, it was run into a switch box ( Channel Master) that had both cables on each LNB going into the switch then 4 outputs to recievers.. could this be that the LNBs are too old?

I tried what you said but all I could pick up 1 sat at a time .. now I don;t think I mentioned this but.. this is an old DTV dual LNB set up from 4-5 years ago when they first switched to 119 & 110 for locals and stuff... the LNBs each have 2 connections on them, I read somewhere that they may not have the internal switching.. When I had the dish setup before, it was run into a switch box ( Channel Master) that had both cables on each LNB going into the switch then 4 outputs to recievers.. could this be that the LNBs are too old?What kind of switch are you using now? Also post your menu settings from the dish installation menu.

I've got a 18*24 Dish with 3 LNBs that I have from my old DTV system ,can I use them and the dish to get 119 & 110 signals at the same time from Dish .. All the LNBs are duals so I have 6 connections all together.. also is there and special way they have to be conected to the LNBs.. As you can tell I'm new to this stuff... Any help would be great..

Thanks,

Jeffk..Do yourself a favour ..pick yourself up a dish 500 with a twin if you want to hookup 2 receivers or with a quad if you want four receivers...these are easy to setup, and are cheap..they are designed to receive 110,119...or carry on.

Thanks everyone for you input on this issue.. I'm going to take your advise and get a dish500, I've been lucky enough to find a dealer locally that sells the dishes... a bit more that the place i bought the receiver but it's 100 miles closer... again thank you all for you help... I'm quite sure I'll have more questions as I get further into testing..

Jeff

Thanks everyone for you input on this issue.. I'm going to take your advise and get a dish500, I've been lucky enough to find a dealer locally that sells the dishes... a bit more that the place i bought the receiver but it's 100 miles closer... again thank you all for you help... I'm quite sure I'll have more questions as I get further into testing..

Jeff

Hi Jeff,
Don't throw your Phase II 18"X24" DTV dish away just yet. If you have what I think you have (3 separate LNBs, each with its own outputs), you're already in business.
As an earlier poster has said, one of the LNBs (the one in the middle normally for DTVs 110 satellite) uses an offset LO frequency and can be discarded. Using the two outside LNBs, remove them and reinstall them next to one another in the middle of the LNB holder. There are screw holes already there that will make this real easy.
Now you have what is in effect a Dish 500 setup with a slightly larger reflector. Align on 110 and 119, run one cable from each LNB to a DisEqC switch, and have fun.
It is true that the newer (and slightly smaller) Phase III triple LNB dish is pretty useless for DN. It has an internal switch and splitter that is not compatible with FTA receivers.

JEFF.. what dish do you have..??? See it in here..??
http://www.solidsignal.com/satellite/directv_dish_antenna_types.asp
The Phase1, PhaseII, PhaseII+, and Channel MAster are all good, the others are trash...There is also a version of the PhaseII+, that actually holds 4 LNBs.. it's good as well..

DJMBS

it looks like I have a phaseII setup with 2 lnbs from when they first came out with it.. I used to have DTV with locals and that was the dish i used... I've tried to put both LNBs in the middle side by side and run 1 cable from each to my Discq switch but I can only get signal from one lnb at a time... I can align it on 119 but then I get no signal from 110.. if I align it on 110 I get no signal from 119... I must be missing something in the setup.. I set the LNB type to Normal freq at 11240 and set the LNB from each sat to the appropriate switch on the discq switch.. I'm so close but no cigar yet... does it matter what side of the LNB I plug into? If I get the numbers off the LNB would this help determine if it will work? I was getting the alignment specs from a few sites and I've been using those.. 247, Incl 40.7deg, 128 deg skew is this correct for S. FLA?

When I do Align on each Sat seperately I get 100% sign and 89 -95 % quality so I know the LNBs are working.. and I can watch the channels on the transponders no problem..

If I can find just the DN Dual LNB can I use the same dish?

it looks like I have a phaseII setup with 2 lnbs from when they first came out with it.. I used to have DTV with locals and that was the dish i used... I've tried to put both LNBs in the middle side by side and run 1 cable from each to my Discq switch but I can only get signal from one lnb at a time... I can align it on 119 but then I get no signal from 110.. if I align it on 110 I get no signal from 119... I must be missing something in the setup.. I set the LNB type to Normal freq at 11240 and set the LNB from each sat to the appropriate switch on the discq switch.. I'm so close but no cigar yet... does it matter what side of the LNB I plug into? If I get the numbers off the LNB would this help determine if it will work? I was getting the alignment specs from a few sites and I've been using those.. 247, Incl 40.7deg, 128 deg skew is this correct for S. FLA?

When I do Align on each Sat seperately I get 100% sign and 89 -95 % quality so I know the LNBs are working.. and I can watch the channels on the transponders no problem..

If I can find just the DN Dual LNB can I use the same dish?

DisEqC switches are often flaky, and can be destroyed easily by connecting them to LNBs with receiver power applied. Always remove all power before making or changing connections to the switch.

Let's start from scratch. Connect your receiver directly to the LNB that is looking at 110 (from the front of the dish, it is the one on the left). Set LNB frequency to 11250 (not 11240 as your post indicated). Peak up the dish. Check signal level on transponder 1 (12224R or V depending on your receiver model). If it is good (signal 80+, quality 50+), scan the transponder. If you're on 110, you should see several Encore channels, History International, Azteca, NBA TV, etc.

Now try connecting the other LNB (presumably already looking at 119). Check signal. Peak it. If you have to move the dish very far in any direction, something is amiss. The skew may be off or you may be picking up a different satellite than 119. Assuming this is not so, scan Transponder 1. It is a spot beam, but you should be getting some of your Miami and West Palm Beach locals in South Florida.

If you are OK to this point, optimize dish alignment for best signal levels on both satellites, and lock it down. Now remove receiver power, hook up your DisEqC switch and set your antenna menu for each satellite to correspond to the ports you have chosen. Alternately switch between a channel on 119 and 110 with your remote. If the switch is working, each should come in after a slight (1 second) delay. If not, try connecting your LNBs to the other 2 ports of the switch. Don't forget to remove power! One of my switches had a dead port, but I was still able to use it by connecting to a different unused port.

Good luck.

Jeff.. Glad you don't have the dreaded PhaseIII dish

now that we know what you've got, let's move on..when you're done, it should perform as well as a Dish500.. maybe a bit better...

First, you need to mount both standard LNBs in the 110 and 119 slots of the yoke.. make sure that one of those LNBs isn't the SatC LNB.. it's unique to DTV, and useless for DN..Cable the 119 LNB to DiseqC switch port 1, and 110-2..Both connectors are identical outputs, and you can use either... if you want to feed a pair of receivers, you simply duplicate this setup with cabling and another DiseqC switch...

Now, you need to align that dish, before doing any scanning or anything else... Go here and get the specs for your dish/LNB combo:
http://satcalculator.freehostia.com/
Select the Dual Sat option, and input the sat locations, 110 and 119, then preset your dish for EL and SKEW... now you should be able to pan that dish and find one of your sats.. try for 110 first.. You might find it easier to cover the othe LNB with foil while you do this.. makes sure you're on the right LNB/sat combo..when you find the first sat, then you should already have a signal from the other sat

you might also want to learn a bit about signal strength and quality:
http://www.dsstester.com/download.php?file=1588

make sure your settings are correct for that setup...should be:

LNB Type: Standard or single
LNB Freq: 11250
DiseqC: 119 committed 1, 110-2
Legacy switch OFF
TP: 1 - 12224 (110) , 2 - 12239(119)

let us know how that works out..

DJMBS

Thanks guys,

I try it this weekend and let you know how it works out.. I really appreciate the help ...

well I tried what you said but I could only get 119 to come in and the 110 was no signal... I went to the Satcalcilator and set it to 50 deg tilt like it said for phase II dtv dishes but still nothing... then I set it to 129 deg tilt for dish500 dishes still nothing .. I set the LNBS to the locations indicated on the holder for 119 & 110..I finally set up and second dish and pointed it to 110 and then I was able to get both 110 and 119 at the save time I ran them thru the Disq switch and it worked so I know the switch is good

I know I'm geting close there must be something small I am missing..

well I tried what you said but I could only get 119 to come in and the 110 was no signal... I went to the Satcalcilator and set it to 50 deg tilt like it said for phase II dtv dishes but still nothing... then I set it to 129 deg tilt for dish500 dishes still nothing .. I set the LNBS to the locations indicated on the holder for 119 & 110..I finally set up and second dish and pointed it to 110 and then I was able to get both 110 and 119 at the save time I ran them thru the Disq switch and it worked so I know the switch is good

I know I'm geting close there must be something small I am missing.. Start all over. Check that your mounting post is plum (level on all sides, front to back). If it is not plum then those # will not help you. Put your lnbs in the right slots. Pre-set your dish for proper skew and elevation. Now hook up a single cable to the 110 lnb. Peak your signal for that sat. Once you have it set right, tighten the dish up so it will not move side to side. Hook a cable up to the lnb for sat 119. Now slowly skew the dish pausing for a couple of seconds each time you do. Once you have a signal on 119, hook up your cable to your switch. Fine tune the dish now so that you have max quailty levels on both sats. The most important # is the quailty level don't worry if signal level drops on either sat. The real signal from the sat is measured in quailty and NOT signal level.

Be sure to always turn off your receiver everytime you hook and unhook any cables or you will burn something up.

Well Guys I've officially, after 3 more hours of messing with the dish ,thrown in the towel... I tried starting over from scratch.. I made sure the mounting pole was plum.. set the elevation to 40 deg and the skew to 50 like the sat calculator said and aimed it at 241deg , set the reciever to the correct sat and tp settings like you all suggested , but all I could get was the 119 ,no luck even getting 110 to register so much as a blip,I tried moving the dish right to left.. up and down but the only sat I could pick up was the 119..how ever I did get a lock on 129 once...I picked it up on both the lnbs when I hooked them up separately so I know the lnbs are working. I even tried the LNBs in the center spots in the LNB holder but the same result.. so I've locked it on the 119 for now and will be getting a dish500 dish later this week... I hate to be defeated by a silly dish! Thanks guys for all the help...

Just for my egos sake has anyone ever set one of these phase II dishes up and actually had it work? I know in theory it should work..thats why it bugs me so much that I can't get it to work...

..sorry, double-posted

Yup, PhaseIIs work well, almost as good as a Dish500...

What do you mean by "I even tried the LNBs in the center spots in the LNB holder "..?? How many slots does that plastic holder have.. most only have 3, 101, 110, and 119, in that case, you'd NEED to use a center slot, for 110..??

And, were you able to get a signal from each LNB you chose,?? Did you remember to discard the SatC LNB, ??...it is useless for Dish

you also need to remember that looking from behind the dish, 119 LNB is on the LEFT, and 110 on right.. that means that when you are pointing that dish, the 119 LNB will be looking off to the the RIGHT of the dish, and 110 further LEFT than 119....

judging from your numbers, you're over on the east side of the country, so then your dish/LNBs should be skewed clockwise, looking from behind the dish, ..

Does all this make sense, or have you been making wrong assumptions..??

DJMBS

Well Guys I've officially, after 3 more hours of messing with the dish ,thrown in the towel... I tried starting over from scratch.. I made sure the mounting pole was plum.. set the elevation to 40 deg and the skew to 50 like the sat calculator said and aimed it at 241deg , set the reciever to the correct sat and tp settings like you all suggested , but all I could get was the 119 ,no luck even getting 110 to register so much as a blip,I tried moving the dish right to left.. up and down but the only sat I could pick up was the 119..how ever I did get a lock on 129 once...I picked it up on both the lnbs when I hooked them up separately so I know the lnbs are working. I even tried the LNBs in the center spots in the LNB holder but the same result.. so I've locked it on the 119 for now and will be getting a dish500 dish later this week... I hate to be defeated by a silly dish! Thanks guys for all the help...

Just for my egos sake has anyone ever set one of these phase II dishes up and actually had it work? I know in theory it should work..thats why it bugs me so much that I can't get it to work...

Hi Jeff,
Yes, I was using the Phase II dish successfully before I installed my Fortec 36" dish with a Stab HH100 motor drive (highly recommended).
I'm a bit puzzled by your skew setting. Mine here in Northern California is 104 degrees for a Phase II dish. However, the setting for a Dish 500 is 76 degrees! One is 90 degrees plus 14 and the other is 90 degrees minus 14. I'll check my DirecTV alignment settings for your zipcode (approximately 331XX) and let you know what the number is for tilt (skew).
For your location with a Phase II dish, the numbers for zipcode 33111 are azimuth 238, elevation 45, tilt 44. If your zipcode is close to the above guess, try those settings and see if you can get both satellites. if not, give me your zipcode and I'll run again.
One final thought, the numbers I get on my receiver assume that your phase II dish is centered on the 110 satellite. In actuality, you're centered half way between 110 and 119 (114.5) so the numbers won't be quite the same. but they should be close enough to allow you to pick up both satellites simultaneously. Then you can peak it up (AZ-EL-TILT).
Good luck.

The zip where I am in 33403 and I've set the LNBs in the holders in the proper locations marked on the holder..

The zip where I am in 33403 and I've set the LNBs in the holders in the proper locations marked on the holder..

OK here goes.
With the LNBs installed where DirecTV wanted them, looking at the back of the dish, you should have them in the two left-most positions. They should be labeled "SAT B" (119) and "SAT C" (110). The right slot should be empty. it was originally for 101.
For your zipcode, the three settings are:
AZ=238
EL=44
TILT=41
This is according to my receiver installation menu.
Let us know how you make out.

Well Guys, I finaly got it aimed and working on both Sats last nite.. Thanks y'all for your input and help , it was invaluable in getting me started ... I'd really like to give a big thanks to DJMBS for his help in getting me dialed in...

Jeff

Well Guys, I finaly got it aimed and working on both Sats last nite.. Thanks y'all for your input and help , it was invaluable in getting me started ... I'd really like to give a big thanks to DJMBS for his help in getting me dialed in...

Jeff

Glad to be of help, Jeff.
It may not help much (if at all), but you may want to try moving thre LNBs to the two center positions on the feed holder and re-aim the dish slightly. Compare before and after Quality readings, and, if you feel like it, let us know if there is any improvement at all.
If you're happy with signal strengths as they are now, the only benefit with just a little more signal is if you are on the edge of picking up a spot beam from other Florida major markets. It might mean the difference between getting them or not.
Your locals are on Transponder 1 (119). For fun, check the following to see if you can get decent signals:
Tp 3 (12253) on 119 - Miami
TP4 (12268) on 110 - Ft. Meyers/Naples
Tp 23 (12545) on 110 - Jacksonville
Tp 25 (12574) on 110 - Tallahassee
Tp 27 (12603) on 110 - Jacksonville
Tp 29 (12632) on 110 - Coco/Orlando
Tp 31 (126610 on 110 - Orlando

Well Guys,
Just an update.. with all your help I was enjoying my sat watching when all of a sudden I lost one of the sats.. I did some troubleshooting and found that the Disq switch had gone bad.. I dug out my old switch that I had with my multi sat DTV system and with a little luck and some patience I was able to get it back up and working using that old switch.. All I had to do was turn off the Disq switch and turn on the legacy switch setting and Voila it was all back.. Thanks to this forum( you guys) and some late nite reading I was able to get it fixed...

Well Guys,
Just an update.. with all your help I was enjoying my sat watching when all of a sudden I lost one of the sats.. I did some troubleshooting and found that the Disq switch had gone bad.. I dug out my old switch that I had with my multi sat DTV system and with a little luck and some patience I was able to get it back up and working using that old switch.. All I had to do was turn off the Disq switch and turn on the legacy switch setting and Voila it was all back.. Thanks to this forum( you guys) and some late nite reading I was able to get it fixed...

I saw a post on this site where you could bring a DisEQc switch back from the dead by some sort of electrical manipulation. But at least you're back up with another switch.

BTW, were you able to get other Florida spot beams with your setup?

Hey Carl,
Yes I am able to get all the Florida Locals no problem. I could tweek it a bit more to get a better quality.. right now it runs about 72-86 depending the TP i'm on.. but it's ok for now...