Looping ECM happening on Dish and the other guys also. Some auto roll affected havent heard on manual key update yet

I would pull 'em all out now !

yes here is a c\p from another site




not to good emm in the stream

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

emm cutrrently in stream

00:0093: 71 80 ldp #$80
00:0095: C6 B0 D1 lda $B0D1
00:0098: CD 5A FE jsr $5AFE
00:009B: B8 BB eor $BB
00:009D: B7 BB sta $BB
00:009F: C6 1E 55 lda $1E55
00:00A2: B8 CC eor $CC
00:00A4: B7 CC sta $CC
00:00A6: 10 DD bset0 $DD
00:00A8: 71 00 ldp #$00
00:00AA: A6 1D lda #$1D
00:00AC: CC 95 69 jmp $9569


00:00B0: C6 98 8B lda $988B
00:00B3: A1 27 cmp #$27 <--you dont want that in your cam @ 988b or 26 @ 980d
00:00B5: 26 1C bne $D3
00:00B7: 4A deca
00:00B8: C1 98 0D cmp $980D
00:00BB: 26 16 bne $D3
00:00BD: CD 57 00 jsr Get2ParmStoreRC1
00:00C0: 98 8B .dw #$988B
00:00C2: A6 20 lda #$20
00:00C4: CD 7C 0B jsr Jmp_WriteRowEE_AtoRC1 <<--not nice(see below)
00:00C7: 14 64 bset2 STATS5
00:00C9: CD 7C 2B jsr $7C2B
00:00CC: C0 14 64 sub $1464
00:00CF: CD 7C 2B jsr $7C2B
00:00D2: C1 81 84 cmp $8184
00:00D5: 84 popa
00:00D6: 84 popa
00:00D7: 84 popa
00:00D8: 20 D6 bra $B0
00:00DA: 50 negx
00:00DB: 77 asr $X
00:00DC: 6E 33 swap PARAM3, X
00:00DE: 64 21 lsr $21, X


UROM:7C0B 09 64 05 btjf byte_64, #4, loc_7C13 <<--erase ram and hang
UROM:7C0E 38 6B sll EEWRITEOKBITS
UROM:7C10 CC 6D C9 jp sub_6DC9


UROM:7C13 CC 5F 23 jp ERASE_RAM_AND_HANG <---ouch!! (basically, kill card!!)

I am so glad I haven't put another autoroll on in the past few weeks...I am (was) watching DN with no autoroll up until now, have pulled my card just in case anyway until we see what's up.

Mine is still working with cablehaters 1.5b - but I am reading people are getting looped with penga's on several sites.

looks kinda like they are taking a sneak peek
at some of the files going around,might be a
few more that are goin to get hit.who knows?

Mine is still working with cablehaters 1.5b - but I am reading people are getting looped with penga's on several sites.

What's the symtoms? Cards going down? Can't get back in? Same here with CableHater blocker, but pulled anyway. Was working no problem......

What's the symtoms? Cards going down? Can't get back in? Card not inserted correctly msg.

What's the symtoms? Cards going down? Can't get back in? Same here with CableHater blocker, but pulled anyway. Was working no problem......


would say "card not inserted" when it's in the ird, then give you no atr when you try to read it in an iso.

according to what i have been reading here and there
cards are being looped(no atr)other than that
i dont know as of yet,but im trying to stay on top
of it.

What's the symtoms? Cards going down? Can't get back in? Same here with CableHater blocker, but pulled anyway. Was working no problem......

So far, it looks like only Penga's getting hit, but probably more to follow, maybe even today. All they got to do is slightly change the EMM and they'll hit other blockers too.

Symptoms are error 019 in receiver and no ATR in ISO. :cry:

Card prices just went up.....

Card prices just went up.....

That's the understatement of the year - lol should be $500 + by the end of the week

Might be useless info at this point, but if anyone here DID get hit, maybe we should start posting what blocker they were using, What public file they were using, if it was public, or if they were private. Any kind of info for studying later..... Whatever people feel can help without telling too much.....

SOLD.... 500 bucks to grb123 ! hehe
Ill take paypal. lol

Been about three weeks since my last post, Good to see yall

Anyways, they finally did it huh? I knew it was comming

SOLD.... 500 bucks to grb123 ! hehe
Ill take paypal. lol

I'll beat that! Going out of Business sale! Every 102 MUST go! Two for the price of one!!! Yeah, TWO 102s for $500!!! :lol: :beer:

apparently, from what I've been reading,, the penga blocker is gettin hit..
but I understand it's a minor change to get most of the others as well.

Any FTAs being affected by this?

Any FTAs being affected by this?


I don't see how they would.

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=75554

Someone saying ViewSat was affected. Not confirmed.......

Codespace I-cam blocker still working with manual key entry as of now... Pulling card....


2700A on 288 bin currently working as well.....

Guy or Gal here saying latest Penga blocker, public info...

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=75549

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=75554

Someone saying ViewSat was affected. Not confirmed.......

I'll CONFIRM it. Mine went down this morning. I had to power it down from the back and let it reset itself. You HAVE to turn "autoroll" off or it just keeps recurring. :yes:

Back to lurk mode,
jr :beer: :p :hat:

Any FTAs being affected by this?

i got 5 of them running without a hitch, lite, plat, Xtreme's and an ultra
:D

My coolsat 5000 still up with no card will keep info posted.:yes:

I save my card, I am using c0d3sp4c3 with bdu, No Autoroll
Pansat 3500 and Coolsat 5000 cardless are up

any legit sub has been affected?

I can confirm my ViewSat is down ,as is others turn auto Roll off and tp off. I checked other sites they are all confirming the Same..

Thanks all.....

Wonder how that new "UniCrap" is holding up? :lol:

Anyone remember the ATR Repair Kit, that was able to fix some softlooped cards?

This latest ECM might be a good test-run for it.

Not familiar with that, For 102s?

Maybe one of the testers who was affected will try it and report back their findings......

: Wonder how that new "UniCrap" is holding up? :lol:

I Don.t worry about mine it's sitting here unpluged, no way it's going to get hit LOL:no:

I'm waiting to see what they are going to say I need next to make it work.:yes:

SonicView appears to be affected also....

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=75552

As far as an ATR repair kit for 102s, can't find any reference to such using the SEARCH button.

Reports I've seen indicate the Unisat is holding up just fine...black screen before this ecm, and black screen after, no change :lol:

this site and alot of others are going to
be flooded very shortly,when people get
home and find out theres no entertainment.

Any FTAs being affected by this?

I'm assuming thread hijacking is ok at this site?:rolleyes:

I'm assuming thread hijacking is ok at this site?:rolleyes:

What? :blink:

I'm assuming thread hijacking is ok at this site?:rolleyes:

No, and If I did, then let the big boys doghouse me, I'm just trying to compile some info together. Might help someone, might not. ....If that was your intention....

I'm assuming thread hijacking is ok at this site?:rolleyes:


ewww, you might have stepped in doo doo here,,,,LOL. :cry:

They got me. Went to the store and just got back. Had the card not in the receiver message.
Tried to read card and came back no atr card may be locked

Dug out the unlocker and check this.

Card not supported by rom 102

Rom1 rev 1 found

OH BOY

They got me. Went to the store and just got back. Had the card not in the receiver message.
Tried to read card and came back no atr card may be locked

Dug out the unlocker and check this.

Card not supported by rom 102

Rom1 rev 1 found

OH BOY

Which blocker you using? Public info? Public File?

ewww, you might have stepped in doo doo here,,,,LOL. :cry:

Let's put the pissing contest on hold until we find out what is going on.....After all is well with the cards everyone can start pissing and mouning again.........

Which blocker you using? Public info? Public File?Smitty's latest

Which blocker you using? Public info? Public File?

I second that, we need to place all the info, so we can start knowing what's going on and what cards has been hitted

Info needed:
1.- Public or Ex-sub
2.- Which blocker, Mr P or CH or Cod3sp4s3
3.- What screen you got, "card not inserted properly", other
4.- What you got on ISO
5.- Rom type, Plastic, I-cam

Regards
Vampi

Extreme seems to have taken a hit.

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=75561

Quote from LILMAFIA in another thread.....

"B1/B2 routines dropped the hammer on cards running Penga blockers erase rom and hang (the loop!) They seem to be hashing the 9880 Area. Looks like two emm's. If your blocker was passing B1's and you had 27 @ 988b or 26 @ 980d , you were locked out and your card was marked at $3067. Second EMM came looking for the mark and if the mark was there loop-de-loop!"

This reminds me of the old days with dtv...lol....Screw charlie!:beer:

I guess DN hired some of DTV's signal integrity gurus
or...

they used the wayback machine to look up how DTV did it 3 years ago

I second that, we need to place all the info, so we can start knowing what's going on and what cards has been hitted

Info needed:
1.- Public or Ex-sub
2.- Which blocker, Mr P or CH or Cod3sp4s3
3.- What screen you got, "card not inserted properly", other
4.- What you got on ISO
5.- Rom type, Plastic, I-cam

Regards
Vampi

1. private info from an ex sub 510
2 cable hater 1.5b
3. did not get looped, scren I got wa tv
4. works fine in iso
5. rom 102

This reminds me of the old days with dtv...lol....Screw charlie!:beer:

This may turn out to be Black Tuesday....I'm OK but I pulled my card. I was using a public blocker that rolled the keys for the last two weeks but would not roll them if they were B1.....

I'm assuming thread hijacking is ok at this site?:rolleyes:

I only know of one ebayfan...

is that you???

seems to be practicing your mod talents,, hmmm

Reports I've seen indicate the Unisat is holding up just fine...black screen before this ecm, and black screen after, no change :lol:

+1

I second that, we need to place all the info, so we can start knowing what's going on and what cards has been hitted

Info needed:
1.- Public or Ex-sub
2.- Which blocker, Mr P or CH or Cod3sp4s3
3.- What screen you got, "card not inserted properly", other
4.- What you got on ISO
5.- Rom type, Plastic, I-cam

Regards
Vampi
Ok here goes
1 Public fix from dsstesters
2 Blocker named smitty does it all It's penga's 9800 with 8b autoroll
3 Sceen says card not inserted properly
4 Iso says No atr
5 Card was at rom 102 rev 10b After ecm i tried to unlock the card. It was stating that 102 is not supported by this script Found rom 1 rev 1

Everyone keep in mind if you get looped.....

You were warned while applying the autorolls.... We knew this could have happened.... Please to not blame this site for your cards being looped....

I believe all these blockers with autoroll had a disclaimer saying this might leave the card open for a ecm......

I was using 2 ROM102's
1- HD6000 public numbers
1-301-10 private numbers
Both not Exsubs
Blocker Modded CH Here it is http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=73640
I did not get hit was able to unlock and read then put virgin image on both.
I still have my cards out and will leave them out until we are able to fix this.

Ese mi Vampi aqui esta lo que se encuentra en el stream:

00:0093: 71 80 ldp #$80
00:0095: C6 B0 D1 lda $B0D1
00:0098: CD 5A FE jsr $5AFE
00:009B: B8 BB eor $BB
00:009D: B7 BB sta $BB
00:009F: C6 1E 55 lda $1E55
00:00A2: B8 CC eor $CC
00:00A4: B7 CC sta $CC
00:00A6: 10 DD bset0 $DD
00:00A8: 71 00 ldp #$00
00:00AA: A6 1D lda #$1D
00:00AC: CC 95 69 jmp $9569


00:00B0: C6 98 8B lda $988B
00:00B3: A1 27 cmp #$27 <--you don't want that in your cam @ 988b or 26 @ 980d
00:00B5: 26 1C bne $D3
00:00B7: 4A deca
00:00B8: C1 98 0D cmp $980D
00:00BB: 26 16 bne $D3
00:00BD: CD 57 00 jsr Get2ParmStoreRC1
00:00C0: 98 8B .dw #$988B
00:00C2: A6 20 lda #$20
00:00C4: CD 7C 0B jsr Jmp_WriteRowEE_AtoRC1 <<--not nice
00:00C7: 14 64 bset2 STATS5
00:00C9: CD 7C 2B jsr $7C2B
00:00CC: C0 14 64 sub $1464
00:00CF: CD 7C 2B jsr $7C2B
00:00D2: C1 81 84 cmp $8184
00:00D5: 84 popa
00:00D6: 84 popa
00:00D7: 84 popa
00:00D8: 20 D6 bra $B0
00:00DA: 50 negx
00:00DB: 77 asr $X
00:00DC: 6E 33 swap PARAM3, X
00:00DE: 64 21 lsr $21, X


UROM:7C0B 09 64 05 btjf byte_64, #4, loc_7C13 <<--erase ram and hang
UROM:7C0E 38 6B sll EEWRITEOKBITS
UROM:7C10 CC 6D C9 jp sub_6DC9


UROM:7C13 CC 5F 23 jp ERASE_RAM_AND_HANG

From cypher at CCC:

Providers are checking eeprom and marking otp accordingly.Then comes a "nothin but net" emm that loops the card.

Thanks cypher :beer:

Lost 1 Rom 102 let the fun begin, no ATR with AutoRoll private code.

Well, this suck. I've lost 3 cards so far and a few more from the description. First off, the blocker was described as AIO-V28J rev10B, but appeared to just be Penga's code modded to roll, etc. I had the public bin info on it and letting it autoroll. I got the same card not inserted properly message. One of my screens was on an odd channel and it was just all black - I thought that was a good sign, but to no avail as all three have No ATR in ISO. I have not pulled out the unlocker yet but assume I wil get the Rom1 error others do. Anyway, this is not good. And what really stinks is I just loaded this up on half my cards - were manually updaiting keys and had locked them down, but after no probs with the B1 decided what the hell.....ah the famous last words :)


Don't know if that will help. Basically I am in the same boat as everyone else....screwed.

This is a terrible Christmas present :cry:

I hope you guys are able to unloop the cards. Has anyone had time to try?

..And what really stinks is I just loaded this up on half my cards - were manually updaiting keys and had locked them down, but after no probs with the B1 decided what the hell.....

which is exactly the way Nagra planned it...
:sad:

its all fun and games til your card goes out!!!

This is a terrible Christmas present :cry:

I hope you guys are able to unloop the cards. Has anyone had time to try?

No luck! werk in progress! :no: :cry:

which is exactly the way Nagra planned it...
:sad:

The bastids! :mad:

I only know of one ebayfan...

is that you???

seems to be practicing your mod talents,, hmmm

How you doin, I thought what better way to start my first post,lol.

Haven't been posting much these days as the sites around seem to take offence to easy these days. I hang around hashhu under incredible as they demodded and banned my ass under ebayfan.

Anyways early indication says cards may be salvagable, we'll see. We knew this was coming based on frequent key changes as it doesn't serve any other purpose to do what they were doing. It seems old non working or no autoroll blockers were not affected.

good to see around...
welcome and enjoy...
(this is pretty much the only place they let me post anymore LOL)

Lost 1 Rom 102 let the fun begin, no ATR with AutoRoll private code.

I lost 5 no atr with autroll private blocker..... Good to see you Nozkt4u

Ummmm? I am watching TV... I just came in and found out about Black Tuesday... No Problems here .. ex-sub Private Info Private Blocker... wonder should I pull hmmmmm? naw this is Testing ....

No luck! werk in progress!anything i can help with. just lookin at the code itself, i doubt we are going to have any luck. should have known better.

btw, i know we were for-warned, but doesnt it seem like penga's code is always the weak link? i heard Romecode Auto and CableHater's 1.51B both are fine...can anyone confirm?

anything i can help with. just lookin at the code itself, i doubt we are going to have any luck. should have known better.

btw, i know we were for-warned, but doesnt it seem like penga's code is always the weak link? i heard Romecode Auto and CableHater's 1.51B both are fine...can anyone confirm?

I am up here.. RC .....

yes i am using cablehaters 1.5b with the add on and still up here . 5.27 est

The game is afoot(or maybe the whole leg). Just got home and my bro left a message on my machine. ECM!...Card was out all day so I guess I wont put it back in for now.....The fun begins....C:beer: :beer: PS any of those $110.00 cards around?hehehe.

ive got 5 rom 102 cards dead and 5 bootboards with 102 chips out of 311 recievers that have not been and are playing fine.both are running pengas blockers.the same blockers.anyone have any idea why bga boards dont seem to be affected?

Anyone remember the ATR Repair Kit, that was able to fix some softlooped cards?

This latest ECM might be a good test-run for it.

Don't even bother with it. Don't work..

KB

anything i can help with. just lookin at the code itself, i doubt we are going to have any luck. should have known better.

btw, i know we were for-warned, but doesnt it seem like penga's code is always the weak link? i heard Romecode Auto and CableHater's 1.51B both are fine...can anyone confirm?

They are currently working initial stuff is that some cards may be salvaged we all knew somthing was up weeks ago and with a new cardswap in the foreseeable future it was to be expected for both private and public fixes. The constant chess match continues and may affect cardless units (thats to be seen) but hey if free tv is your life (not directed at you dssduff :rolleyes: ) then its time to get another hobby! He!He!

Here is a Copy and paste concerning RomCode...the current blocker does not allow the B2 morph to pass through and it allows a certain portion of the B1. If you want to be absolutely sure - If you have an older version of romcode that does not allow the keys to roll - you can use that but you will be changing keys a couple times a day. Or you can pull your card but I am keeping mine in because I have confidence in our coders.
blockers are ment to stop ecm's from dish. However youwant to allow the key change command through so your keys roll automatically. lately, dish has been sending down morphing codes that turn in to a key change. Now the scary part is, if the coders do not do their homework and allow them through carte blanc. then the code could morph into something else - like an ecm. This is what just happened in Spain - which is what Ohm is reffering to. When the first morphing script came - alot of people complained why a fix was not released right away so the can watch tv right away with out doing a manual key change. Our coders took their time to analyze exactly what could come through and how and how to block it.
well theres 2 diffrent cards. rom 102 and rom 103. rom 102 use b1's emm's to carry key packects. the b2 emm packets are for rom 103. to my knollege. they current methos is on the safe pass as of now. however a new emm morph. this blocker thats on there will not roll bro. the stream has been quite as of late. but what ya have on there is very safe. as far as turning the feature off. it cant be done on romcode.not sure to tell ya on safety of cards. but heres my opinion.chuckie can take us out at anytime. if he truly wanted to the coder that does romcode is on of the best, i can ppromise you this. i know we landed on tough times a couple of months ago when the b1 for rom 102's was morphing keys. however. theres alota work that it takes to build the proper filter to make such a pass autoroll. as long as its the one byte morph your rc is ok. he goes another direction, it will get bumpy again.but you got to understand, money or no money, you do pay for safety.thats most and formost. after that then we look at how to make roll safely so always keep your cams safety in mind first!

Don't even bother with it. Don't work..

KB

What was your prognosis? S.O.L.? please post results :cool:

I'm gonna say this, and this is to everyone....

People are already starting to sell cards for however much. No standard right now, whatever they feel they can get. Seems alot of people will be needing cards before this is all over, and it ain't over yet. This is a perfect time to get ripped off, be careful, you were warned. Might want to wait a little while and see what prices settle at, alot of scammers are gonna come out of the woodwork, so we need to watch out for this. Use common sense and patience people....

Here's a C/P from a Mod at 10X...... "Quote from one of the coders"

They're not only looped, but they're forever without map. IE: Even if we were somehow to get passed the check for $307F to get an ATR, we're still forever screwed because we don't have maprom active.

Worse yet though, there is no way to undo this because all the evil moves were done in the OTP area... so there is no way to undo it. Those cards aren't just looped... they can now pretty well be considered dead. No sort of glitching or trying to write anything to EEPROM will ever fix these cards."....Unquote....I sure hope he's wrong. If not,the price of 102's will never come back down from wherever it's gonna go...........C:(

I'm gonna say this, and this is to everyone....

People are already starting to sell cards for however much. No standard right now, whatever they feel they can get. Seems alot of people will be needing cards before this is all over, and it ain't over yet. This is a perfect time to get ripped off, be careful, you were warned. Might want to wait a little while and see what prices settle at, alot of scammers are gonna come out of the woodwork, so we need to watch out for this. Use common sense and patience people....

I agree with The Big Dismal one, :beer: remember the Ol dave P2's everyones got at least one of them lying around don't be a victim, I ain't in it fer da money I'm in it fer da game! :cool:

What was your prognosis? S.O.L.? please post results :cool:

Look in here!!

70567

KB

I'll CONFIRM it. Mine went down this morning. I had to power it down from the back and let it reset itself. You HAVE to turn "autoroll" off or it just keeps recurring. :yes:

Back to lurk mode,
jr :beer: :p :hat:
I did the same on my extreme Joer, worked for me also. Just to add, my Classic NA is still up as of 6 PM

SonicView appears to be affected also....

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=75552

As far as an ATR repair kit for 102s, can't find any reference to such using the SEARCH button.

You can find that unlooper program here http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=70173&highlight=unlooper I'm running it now on another card, I've never used it yet so I'll keep you posted.

Look in here!!

70567

KB

I guess prognosis isnt good huh! Lol! Thanks for the insight Kickin_Back! I see you have already been down this dusty road! :yes:

I suppose now might be a good time to post some more test unloopers.. with flashes..... Dark ....

I guess prognosis isnt good huh! Lol! Thanks for the insight Kickin_Back! I see you have already been down this dusty road! :yes:

I'm trying a different one DarkHood posted. It's here http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=70173&highlight=unlooper haven't confirmed working yet.

What is the safest blocker right now? As far as I have seen all of the blockers have been autoroll at one time or another until dish found a new way to block. Is there any blocker that makes no attempt to pass any unsafe code?
Cablehater is still currently working.

Jinx right now Nothing with autoroll seems to be safe..or at least nothing that was public.

As I had posted earlier....I had a 102 running without autoroll and it is fine. But EVERYONE was warned over and over by this site that any blocker that allowed the B1 to be used was in danger of being hit.
I think what happened was...people were warned for so long and nothing happened that they just got complacent and figured they were ok.
Well just in time for winter a lot of people got ice scrapers ;)

Hey this is testing and a part of it, for now just like Big Dismal said be VERY careful what you buy right now. And if the prices go through the roof let them...dont buy until we find out what can be done to prevent this from the future. For now< no jinx> Fta's and the AUX are working good. I was running a 102 auxed in a CS and it is fine....so that proves what everyone was wondering...when an ecm came down...would the card be safe in being Auxed. So just be careful and wait it out for now...or get a FTA before the prices go through the roof on those as well.

What is the safest blocker right now? As far as I have seen all of the blockers have been autoroll at one time or another until dish found a new way to block. Is there any blocker that makes no attempt to pass any unsafe code?
Cablehater is still currently working.

no sarcasm but the safest blocker right now are the private blockers that were never released to the public. If you understand how to code ( I don't , I could but unfortunately don't have 6 months of undisturbed time to learn) hold tight
the masters who do this for us are working on this now just as they always
have been . have faith , there is always light at the end of the tunnel .
many cards have been and will be lost , card prices will be back to what they
were 3-4 months ago if not more but this is not the end by any means.

A few people seem to be looking for which blocker is working, or is safe.
Some of you have heard me say this, but for the ones that haven't, be careful, even with CodeSpace. There have been various discussion about blockers, and one thing I point out is no blocker is safe, not even the older ones such as CodeSpace which are not rolling. I think the correct term would have been which one would be safer. I've also pointed out that there are alot of blockers popping up that have nebulas origins, so you need to be careful of which one you use, it wouldn't take much for Charlie to release one of his own. The next comment may seem crazy to some, but actually having a legit sub WITH Charlie is a good idea. That way when stuff like this happens, and it will again, you can pull the cards, switch to legit, and still watch something. Wait for things to cool down, and test in the meantime. When things seem better, swap out. Just some more advice, take it for what it's worth.....

can someone send me new keys plz?

........ Just to add, my Classic NA is still up as of 6 PM

Old news by now mabe - My Platinum is acting up, but CW 600s Premium, FLU (2500) and CS 4000 clone all working fine. Sorry if Im Hijackin :)

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=75588 Here is a Link to the Unlooper Scripts and Flashes I just posted in the file section .. Hope they Help ... Dark .....

My ViewSat still up. I have been running with auto-roll off.

I may have been unclear in my question. I know testing is not safe, ever. I really just wanted to know if there are any blockers, not autoroll blockers, out there that work that do not pass any of the emm's, b1 etc. I know the latest codespace doesn't autoroll now, but does it pass anything from when it did autoroll? Yes I am looking for the safest blocker not the safe blocker. :)

I may have been unclear in my question. I know testing is not safe, ever. I really just wanted to know if there are any blockers, not autoroll blockers, out there that work that do not pass any of the emm's, b1 etc. I know the latest codespace doesn't autoroll now, but does it pass anything from when it did autoroll? Yes I am looking for the safest blocker not the safe blocker. :)
i know what u asking for but my best advise now is why don't u just take your card out and wait to see what happens? there is always a possible chance something might change and also effect the nonautroll blockers too. i am sure it won't hurt much to not watch t.v for a day or two or even a week to save 100 to 200 bux so just pull out your card and relax every one

Very sound advice!

Hi there,

I just happened to fall upon all this bad news. Then I ran and pulled the ROM102 card, this was about 15 minutes ago.

I'm using c0d3sP4c3 v4.0 with backdoor utility. I'm not sure if it's public or private.

Fiddle

I loaded a non auto roll and it worked but I went ahead and pulled it till some good news surfaces. Lost 5 today while at work so I'm not taking any chances with these. I have 10 coasters now so they'll look good out for the holidays.

My codespace card was still running as well. But my other auto-roll penga blocker card took a hard hit like everyone else's. I recommend aheeding all the warnings, and play it safe for now, 'till this situation is assessed a little better, or take a chance in loosing your card. No matter what bin is on it, it could be a target for charlie, durring this particular ECM!

Lost 1 Rom 102 let the fun begin, no ATR with AutoRoll private code.


Sorry to hear that man. How the hell have you been BTW? I haven't talked to you in forever!!

My 501 took a firmware update...Now it's at P364

charlie looped my fuckin.. rom 102 card and i was using Smittys Does It All Autoroll 12-09!!!!!!! This means WAR!!!!!! Hopefully one of great testers will firgure out how to unloop this cards and really piss charlie off!!!!

Working 102 card using P'sV28J Blocker with -CH Addon and AutoRoll.
I pulled the card and using ISO:
- Unlocked Card
- Read card - Good ATR
- Cleaned Card and wrote Virgin Bin

Lost 102 to ECM using private script with Satvia blocker and AutoRoll.
Message: Card not inserted correctly
Using ISO:
- No ATR

Using Unlooper from another site, running for about 2hrs, little past half way and NOTHING.

If I have positive results then I will post them and the file, if nothing...
:wacko: Oh well.

here's food for thought..
DN can look for ANY alteration to the card,, mark it and hit it...
it don't got to be a blocker,, it could just be a weird or expired tier (ahem,, sound familiar?)

so,, really, there is no way to play it safe,, BUT,, that's what testing is all about.. risk/reward...
so far,, little risk, big reward..

is it now changing?

hmmmmm

Chit got me :yes: 2 102s toast w smitty autoroll

going to try me a FTA:wow: Now which one?

Chit got me :yes: 2 102s toast w smitty autoroll

going to try me a FTA:wow: Now which one?

Look into cemu before FTA - if you have an ird allready it will be much cheaper.

Here's my short story.

Read about the ECM about an hour after it began. Contacted a friend and got my wife to pull my THREE cards. Two were the other guys (b3v), and one was DN.

The DN card had Penga 8 A/R w/1.5 CH
The B3V cards had Penga 8 A/R w/1.6 CH

All three cards unlocked, and I've since wiped out the blocker and returned all cards back to their base rev's. My $3500 locations on both cards contain all zeros FWIW.

I guess I've got horseshoes up my a$$ this time.

I have all my cards pulled and on the shelf for the time being until something a bit more reliable comes out that the current AR blockers. Hats off to CH for the awesome patch that saved my bacon. My condolences to those who lost theirs.

BTW, my CS5K came through unscathed. That box is running like a trooper. Time to watch all the stuff I've recorded and wait till some of this stuff washes out.

CWAVE

can someone send me new keys plz?:lol: :no: :sad:

Look into cemu before FTA - if you have an ird allready it will be much cheaper.

cemu?
What do I need? I did a search didn't come up with much info.

BTW. Does anyone know what time (Lets try Eastern time) the first card marker came down the pipe? I heard there was 2 events. The first one marked the card the second one looped the card. I pulled my card at about 9:30AM Pacific time . and am hoping the first event happened after that. Thanks in advance for any info on this matter.....C:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: Just an afterthought. Did Charlie mess up any subs?

Newbie here!
How Charlie burn only the tester's card and not the legit's?

Reports I've seen indicate the Unisat is holding up just fine...black screen before this ecm, and black screen after, no change :lol:

:D I like that...

Ok I just called my grand parent at 12:35 in the morning to check on the card that I GAVE them, and it's safe, not gotten hit. It had pengas blocker with some autoroll patch on it, and private numbers, and it's in a 301.013. I sure am glad that it didn't get screwed up. Also I have a dish 522 that now has on demand programming, and I can still get into my card. I turned the IRD off, and am now using the coolsat.

Hawk

that makes 8 dead 102's now....crappy @ss day



and btw, regular broadcast tv sucks!

Newbie here!
How Charlie burn only the tester's card and not the legit's?

It's called a ecm, true subs would not get marked thus being a target. Maybe tomorrow he marks another group using non penga blocker then loops those cards. There are several variations and it seems Charlie would need to change his hash to hit those. maybe he can only do one variation at a time.

It was so obvious this was going to happen with the frequency of key changes. Most people don't want to manually input keys 1-4 times a day.

00:0093: 71 80 ldp #$80
00:0095: C6 B0 D1 lda $B0D1
00:0098: CD 5A FE jsr $5AFE
00:009B: B8 BB eor $BB
00:009D: B7 BB sta $BB
00:009F: C6 1E 55 lda $1E55
00:00A2: B8 CC eor $CC
00:00A4: B7 CC sta $CC
00:00A6: 10 DD bset0 $DD
00:00A8: 71 00 ldp #$00
00:00AA: A6 1D lda #$1D
00:00AC: CC 95 69 jmp $9569


00:00B0: C6 98 8B lda $988B
00:00B3: A1 27 cmp #$27 <--you dont want that in your cam @ 988b or 26 @ 980d
00:00B5: 26 1C bne $D3
00:00B7: 4A deca
00:00B8: C1 98 0D cmp $980D
00:00BB: 26 16 bne $D3
00:00BD: CD 57 00 jsr Get2ParmStoreRC1
00:00C0: 98 8B .dw #$988B
00:00C2: A6 20 lda #$20
00:00C4: CD 7C 0B jsr Jmp_WriteRowEE_AtoRC1 <<--not nice(see below)
00:00C7: 14 64 bset2 STATS5
00:00C9: CD 7C 2B jsr $7C2B
00:00CC: C0 14 64 sub $1464
00:00CF: CD 7C 2B jsr $7C2B
00:00D2: C1 81 84 cmp $8184
00:00D5: 84 popa
00:00D6: 84 popa
00:00D7: 84 popa
00:00D8: 20 D6 bra $B0
00:00DA: 50 negx
00:00DB: 77 asr $X
00:00DC: 6E 33 swap PARAM3, X
00:00DE: 64 21 lsr $21, X


UROM:7C0B 09 64 05 btjf byte_64, #4, loc_7C13 <<--erase ram and hang
UROM:7C0E 38 6B sll EEWRITEOKBITS
UROM:7C10 CC 6D C9 jp sub_6DC9


UROM:7C13 CC 5F 23 jp ERASE_RAM_AND_HANG <---ouch!! (basically, kill card!!)

Newbie here!
How Charlie burn only the tester's card and not the legit's?


It's simple, the B1 they sent looked for certain info on the card, that on a legit card, would have a diff value, then a testers card. If that info was found, it placed a mark in a cetain area of the card, then right after that, another came looking for that mark, if it found it, it looped the cam.

anyone with a bga get hit? i was using codespace 12i with cmg patch on a 102 bga. it was still working, but i took it out just in case......

It's called a ecm, true subs would not get marked thus being a target. Maybe tomorrow he marks another group using non penga blocker then loops those cards. There are several variations and it seems Charlie would need to change his hash to hit those. maybe he can only do one variation at a time.

It was so obvious this was going to happen with the frequency of key changes. Most people don't want to manually input keys 1-4 times a day.

00:0093: 71 80 ldp #$80
00:0095: C6 B0 D1 lda $B0D1
00:0098: CD 5A FE jsr $5AFE
00:009B: B8 BB eor $BB
00:009D: B7 BB sta $BB
00:009F: C6 1E 55 lda $1E55
00:00A2: B8 CC eor $CC
00:00A4: B7 CC sta $CC
00:00A6: 10 DD bset0 $DD
00:00A8: 71 00 ldp #$00
00:00AA: A6 1D lda #$1D
00:00AC: CC 95 69 jmp $9569


00:00B0: C6 98 8B lda $988B
00:00B3: A1 27 cmp #$27 <--you dont want that in your cam @ 988b or 26 @ 980d
00:00B5: 26 1C bne $D3
00:00B7: 4A deca
00:00B8: C1 98 0D cmp $980D
00:00BB: 26 16 bne $D3
00:00BD: CD 57 00 jsr Get2ParmStoreRC1
00:00C0: 98 8B .dw #$988B
00:00C2: A6 20 lda #$20
00:00C4: CD 7C 0B jsr Jmp_WriteRowEE_AtoRC1 <<--not nice(see below)
00:00C7: 14 64 bset2 STATS5
00:00C9: CD 7C 2B jsr $7C2B
00:00CC: C0 14 64 sub $1464
00:00CF: CD 7C 2B jsr $7C2B
00:00D2: C1 81 84 cmp $8184
00:00D5: 84 popa
00:00D6: 84 popa
00:00D7: 84 popa
00:00D8: 20 D6 bra $B0
00:00DA: 50 negx
00:00DB: 77 asr $X
00:00DC: 6E 33 swap PARAM3, X
00:00DE: 64 21 lsr $21, X


UROM:7C0B 09 64 05 btjf byte_64, #4, loc_7C13 <<--erase ram and hang
UROM:7C0E 38 6B sll EEWRITEOKBITS
UROM:7C10 CC 6D C9 jp sub_6DC9


UROM:7C13 CC 5F 23 jp ERASE_RAM_AND_HANG <---ouch!! (basically, kill card!!)

Good to see you still around brotha....
Hope all is well with you, its been a long ass time.....
Ive known this fellow since 1999 (bbs), your one of the orig guys i met

You must have survived last nights storm eh? lol

Anyways,
Hope you deside to stick around, there's a good group of peeps here

HuSatellite

Damn 800+ post you really must like this site,lol. Nice seeing you.

Weathered the storm? If you mean did my Dish get blown off of roof? No not this time:D

Dang, looks like I slept through one hell of a storm today, but all cards survived running a modified P blocker.

Dang, looks like I slept through one hell of a storm today, but all cards survived running a modified P blocker.Nice to see ya didn't lose any cards. My 1 card was out of my IRD during the storm. I love Christmas shopping(not) . Well today I loved Xmas shopping. May have saved me several hundreds of $. I think I'll keep my card on the shelf for a few days and see what shakes out.For all the guys that lost cards I feel for ya and hope the cards will eventually be usable . Good luck to all testers ...........C:beer: :beer:...P.S. on the brighter side of things,Lexus is making headway with the atmega. :) :beer:

322s took a firmware update on the 11th, the ECM was early on the 12th, so maybe something else coming, but on the other hand, They have been updating firmware on alot of newer style boxes. so it could be just a coincidence.

My personal view is as the holidays approach we can expect more with a much wider array of targets.
This is probably only step one with a number to follow.

It appears Charlie is not just looping but, from my readings, killing cards.

My 102's are on the shelf for now, do not consider anything safe at the moment.

This isn't the first time some of us lost cards to testing, but we all need to be patient to see if they can find a way to salvage the rom 102's. Everyone thought that the black sunday cards were toast when Dave sent that ecm out right before Superbowl Sunday, however, they were able to create a dead processor blocker board, a.k.a. bootloaders, blocker boards, etc. Maybe they can do something similar to this for these cards.

I've also noticed something strange and maybe someone else can confirm this, I've noticed that the software revision on the irds is different as well. On my 301's the software revision is 396 (can't remember exactly). I don't know if this is important or meaningless right now, but it may be worth looking into to see if the software revision had a role in this also?????

This isn't the first time some of us lost cards to testing, but we all need to be patient to see if they can find a way to salvage the rom 102's. Everyone thought that the black sunday cards were toast when Dave sent that ecm out right before Superbowl Sunday, however, they were able to create a dead processor blocker board, a.k.a. bootloaders, blocker boards, etc. Maybe they can do something similar to this for these cards.

I've also noticed something strange and maybe someone else can confirm this, I've noticed that the software revision on the irds is different as well. On my 301's the software revision is 396 (can't remember exactly). I don't know if this is important or meaningless right now, but it may be worth looking into to see if the software revision had a role in this also?????

Probably not related, I just noticed it and made a statement. Definitely depends on what blocker people were using. The difference in blockers is very small, so more should be on the way. Gotta admit, that was a good move. They made alot of cards defective and made alot of people think twice about putting their cards in.....

yep.. folks were herded like sheep to the slaughter.. too bad so many lost their cards.

yep.. folks were herded like sheep to the slaughter.. too bad so many lost their cards.

The question I have pinto is were they herding or are they herding?

Looks like they only took out the penga autoroll, at a time when the key changes are less frequent.
This action, with fewer key changes, would shift many back to manual input blockers.
Lately much of the blocker activity has been focused on developing autoroll has this created a vulnerability here?

We can never be complacent.

Better question, which one is next.
I think they went after whatever they felt was the most popular. I do not know if the difference between autoroll blockers is significant enough that they cannot knock others out, but I think they can. Obviously the difference was enough so it could only target one type of blocker. Another question would be:Is the ECM still active, and will continue to be, or has it been "shut off". I think some people are switching up blockers right now, in my opinion emulation, whether it be with computer, card, or FTA, would be the safest bet.

The question I have pinto is were they herding or are they herding?

Looks like they only took out the penga autoroll, at a time when the key changes are less frequent.
This action, with fewer key changes, would shift many back to manual input blockers.
Lately much of the blocker activity has been focused on developing autoroll has this created a vulnerability here?

We can never be complacent.

Less frequent? Last key change was Saturday. They were obviously gearing up for ecm on Monday and if you look at past history there have been many Mondays where keys didn't change. Anyways if they could kill all cards they would have ,it's all in the codespace and non autoroll or past autoroll kept card more secure on user end. The current autorolls left card wide open and this was mentioned time and time again over the last few months.

Some folks thought it was a bluff and nothing would happen but to change keys as often as they did would serve no other purpose but to herd plastic testers into using autoroll .

Always expect the unexpected! It was shock and awe Tuesday for plastic business as usual for cardless but for how long? I wonder if subbed units got affected? anyone?

322s took a firmware update on the 11th, the ECM was early on the 12th, so maybe something else coming, but on the other hand, They have been updating firmware on alot of newer style boxes. so it could be just a coincidence. Was reading on another site a guy has 2 511's with same blocker.One got hit one didn't. He say's the only difference is the one that looped had recently taken a firmware update.(he forgot to set reciever to ask for permission). So who knows?......C:beer: :beer:

Less frequent? Last key change was Saturday. They were obviously gearing up for ecm on Monday and if you look at past history there have been many Mondays where keys didn't change.

Hey bud let me bring you up to date on current events, not too long ago they were changing keys multiple times a day.
There was rarely a day the keys did not change.
So are the key changes less, absolutely, check the history.

well i guess the bottom line is charlie gets another one marked in his column... and im taking my ball and going home for a while

His play didn't even make the line of scrimmage on my field :) I'm taking HIS ball LOL

This is not suprising at all that chuck finally showed his hand. You think he was changing the keys so often just to piss the FTA off? Nope he did it so we would allow B1's to pass so he could zap us. The Ecm looked for code in $988B and $980D if there was code there then it marked the card. THe second ECM looked for the mark then wrote to the OTP and killed it. Cards are done that got looped. No way to change OTP. I think Blizzard was the only one that ever wrote to the OTP on the H-card. Not sure if it was ever made public or not. So those trying to unloop your card it useless. THere toast. Also alot of confusion on the check for allowing B1 then marking. This is not so. Im passing B1 ones and am still going strong. I dont have any code at $988B or $980D. Now how long it will last is unkown. I know I dont post much here but been around along time. Lots of good reading here.

yeah im pretty much putting this card above the mantle.... time for retirement into the DSS HALL O FAME

I wonder if subbed units got affected? anyone?

I got a subbed 625 and it's working fine!!

KB

I got a subbed 625 and it's working fine!!

KB

Thanks Kickin_Back fer da info! :yes: I guess we need to find out what still works and what got hit and compile a list like Vampi said. :cool:

1.- Public or Ex-sub
2.- Which blocker, Mr P or CH or Cod3sp4s3
3.- What screen you got, "card not inserted properly", other
4.- What you got on ISO
5.- Rom type, Plastic, I-cam

I used cablehaters blocker and I must have lucked out cuz it didn't get hit.
Pinche Charlie!!

KB

6000 hd with cablehaters blocker it didn't get hit.

My ird 301.013 single software was at 343 before and after the storm! So I dont think ird software updates had anything to do with the looping of the cam!

I was using smitty 12/09 in my single 301 and looped the shit out of my card!

Thanks alot!!! Smitty J/K

Is there any solution for looped cards???????????:cry:

Is there any solution for looped cards???????????:cry:
Noting yet waiting for that

311 did not get hit yesterday..but the 510 rom102 got looped..i unpluged the 311 and have not put it back on..what should i do?

I am not no coder by no means what so ever but it seems to me is all charlie would have to go after is all cards with:
CamID=039A3174 (60436852)
IrdID=011C746C (18642028)
BK=8CA6A88CFDE2E263

If that is possible! someone please explain if this is possible or not and why?

Is there any solution for looped cards???????????:cry:

Depending on your location, they make an EXCELLENT gift as an ice scraper for your car's windshield! :yes:

Back to lurk mode,
jr :beer: :p :hat:

can you hejp me with keys for my coolsat 4000? thank you

Is there any solution for looped cards???????????:cry:
The cards are not looped.. they are dead... looking at what happened, you cannot revive a card that got hit by this ECM

This may be a duplication, if so it is important enough to restate.
Cablehaters has advised users to stop using the autoroll while it under goes some modifications.

This is not suprising at all that chuck finally showed his hand. You think he was changing the keys so often just to piss the FTA off? Nope he did it so we would allow B1's to pass so he could zap us. The Ecm looked for code in $988B and $980D if there was code there then it marked the card. THe second ECM looked for the mark then wrote to the OTP and killed it. Cards are done that got looped. No way to change OTP. I think Blizzard was the only one that ever wrote to the OTP on the H-card. Not sure if it was ever made public or not. So those trying to unloop your card it useless. THere toast. Also alot of confusion on the check for allowing B1 then marking. This is not so. Im passing B1 ones and am still going strong. I dont have any code at $988B or $980D. Now how long it will last is unkown. I know I dont post much here but been around along time. Lots of good reading here.

I agree, we all knew something was coming down the matrix, it's a shame some ppl lost their cards, their may be hope in the near future, you never can tell someone may come up with a boot board to jump the otp... and then they may not... but any way I think everyone was warned that they were like cattle being herded to the looser autoroll blockers... I told some close friends that with each morph it was getting closer.. hell Look at the top of the page here Santa was even trying to warn everyone.... :rolleyes: :beer:

Darkhood couldnt agree more.....They have been hearding for a while now, and Like I said in a post a few days ago
People were warned for months NOT to use any autoroll that allowed the B1 to be passed. But people didnt head the warning and when many started to use the blockers that allowed the B1 to pass and nothing happened, they figured ahhh it's ok....Charlie wont do anything.
And the longer it went with nothing happening the more people went to them....then when they started rolling keys 2-4 times a day, 99% of people were not going to keep inputing keys that often....so they said the hell with it and now they are paying the price.

The writing was on the wall big time when they starting rolling keys that many times a day...just driving people to go to an autoroll and they did...and now they hit them hard.
And in case some of you don't read or have not heard...the cards that were just hit are NOT ecmed or looped...they are DEAD...YES DEAD

Ice scrapers...there are NO unlooper programs or anything that will fix them..they did a REAL card kill and it worked. So in the future people need to head warnings from the people who know, and not get so complacent...or at least not bitch when they lose their cards if you were warned about it.

Kinda like living on the beach and warned once every 5 years the tides come up past your house and take everything.....then you bitch about it when it happens...you were warned....so lets all learn from it and see what Charlie will do next. I doubt that he is done...I think this was just the first strike and something else is coming.

This is my opinion, Charlie didnot go after FTA for a reason.

FTA has been up for a quite sometimes, Autoroll is working fine with a little minor problems here and there, but no big deal.

Then came black tuesday and most of the Plastic went dead. and most of the ppl who lost their cards are thinking about getting a FTA box, because its still up and running.
So, here is what Charlie is doing, lining up everyone for the next ecm that will target just FTA boxes. and once those boxes are down, he will go back to plastic and he will hit hard again.

Again this just my opinion.

This is my opinion, Charlie didnot go after FTA for a reason.

FTA has been up for a quite sometimes, Autoroll is working fine with a little minor problems here and there, but no big deal.

Then came black tuesday and most of the Plastic went dead. and most of the ppl who lost their cards are thinking about getting a FTA box, because its still up and running.
So, here is what Charlie is doing, lining up everyone for the next ecm that will target just FTA boxes. and once those boxes are down, he will go back to plastic and he will hit hard again.

Again this just my opinion.



The only thing about a FTA box is, that they don't loop... They may take them out like they did last time and it will be awhile to get them back up, or only the faster ones will be able to be up. I think Charlie is just having a little fun with us...

Guys/Gals,

Rowe started a new thread for us to post which files here were hit. Let's compile a list.
http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=75754

May also need to go and post in those threads not to use them, someone actually did and got two dead cards AFTER the damn ECM, their fault for not reading, but let's try something. Maybe a mod could negate the links or files or something. Don't know,


Also, some members had been kind enough to make public files for people to D/L, but these files may contain the blocker targeted by ECM, could they also make a note of this in the thread......

Droc good point....Yeah the FTA boxes cant be looped true enough...but if you recall the turmoil that started when they were down for all that time...it was just insane.
Well guess what...just in time for the holidays....Round 2 of the FTA wars. I think it will be coming but when is the question.

It would make no sense for Charlie to hit the fta's right away.....he wants people to go out and spend money...get so frustrated when the boxes go down that they just give up or subscribe. Plus with the holidays here, a lot of people may not have the extra $ to spend on a FTA box right now. Just my opinion but I think after new years...maybe towards the end of January he will hit the FTA boxes AND the Plastic again at the same time. And really take out a huge block of people....seems the only thing really safe right now is the AUX cards in the CS units. So we will see but Im sure the FTA's will be feeling the pain again in a month or so......hell maybe sooner if he just wants to really make everyone suffer.....which might be his plan as well...with the holidays here they know most people don't have extra cash to spend and if he hits the FTA's now....a lot of people wont get anything so he will get rid of a few people. We will see but either way there is a LOT more coming down than just this.

celticmaster, i am 110% behind you on that idea. the sky is coming down very fast.

Drockstar, FTA doesnt loop, we can always hope for new bin.

Charlie targeted Pe*ga blockers this time. Don't think he wont go after codespace.Right now they seem to be working but thats what peeps thought about Pe*ga blockers and now there are a lot of ice scrapers.....C:blink: :beer: :beer:....PS....I popped my card(codespace) in last night for a few mins and then checked for marks and there was none.:)

Charlie targeted Pe*ga blockers this time. Don't think he wont go after codespace.Right now they seem to be working but thats what peeps thought about Pe*ga blockers and now there are a lot of ice scrapers.....C:blink: :beer: :beer:....PS....I popped my card(codespace) in last night for a few mins and then checked for marks and there was none.:)

I was testing mine with the code that i posted in another thread for c0d3sp4c3 for few hours, and i had to remove the card overnight just in case. just to be on the safe side.

The blockers that seem safe right now...you really need to read and make sure they are going to stay that way. Charlie is smart and he knows what blockers are out there....Cor as you said your card was safe for now...seems the only ones that worked were Private....problem with private blockers at times like this is,
They dont stay private for long...as friend helps friend who helps friend.....like a secret..the minute it leaves your lips to someone else...it isn't secret anymore!

So guys and gals be CAREFUL, if you dont have a spare card...pull it and wait...or if you can afford to buy one then do so then go ahead and risk it.
But those that didnt buy an aux reader before....grab one now why they are still DIRT CHEAP AGAIN...they wont be for long I have a feeling ;)

hey celticmaster whats an aux reader?i am in process of getting some cemu up,and i thought i could aux my 102 and use my iso.

sorry if i jacked the thread.not my intentions.

Yeah DX PM me and I will tell you, in the future it is better for you if you ask in a PM a question that is not relevant to the subject. Some people get a little upset with that.
So just PM me and I will explain it to you...........:beer:

Well I have a private blocker, that is not Penga or Codespace and not just a different varation of one or the other and it is fine. It also autorolls fine.

Penga-ware seemed to be the target. They loved his sloppyness! Haha.

Hard to say where they will go next. This is a game and always will be, its unfortunate but some do get burnt. Its the price you pay to play. I mean you always hear people saying its not about "free tv" but I'd say a good 80% of people are for the free TV. There is a core 20% of people on here that do it for the fun and challenge of beating the game. 20% may even be a little high, but there is a group of boys and gals that could careless if they get looped or go black for a few days. The challenge is figuring out what went wrong, where the glitch was and how to counter the attack.

As far as all these people pulling yours cards, have fun. I couldn't be bothered. You have no idea when DN will do something to the stream, so your card is out and they implement a new routine and then you wake up and stick your card in, well its fawked now! You can't predict the actions of the provider. I admit pulling it out will avoid it if you know when or how or what came down while it was out of the stream but 99% of people that pull there cards no little about the coding and logging aspect anyhow.

Sorry not trying to preach anything just stating an opinion.

Amen ...LOL ...

Well I have a private blocker, that is not Penga or Codespace and not just a different varation of one or the other and it is fine. It also autorolls fine.

Penga-ware seemed to be the target. They loved his sloppyness! Haha.

Hard to say where they will go next. This is a game and always will be, its unfortunate but some do get burnt. Its the price you pay to play. I mean you always hear people saying its not about "free tv" but I'd say a good 80% of people are for the free TV. There is a core 20% of people on here that do it for the fun and challenge of beating the game. 20% may even be a little high, but there is a group of boys and gals that could careless if they get looped or go black for a few days. The challenge is figuring out what went wrong, where the glitch was and how to counter the attack.

As far as all these people pulling yours cards, have fun. I couldn't be bothered. You have no idea when DN will do something to the stream, so your card is out and they implement a new routine and then you wake up and stick your card in, well its fawked now! You can't predict the actions of the provider. I admit pulling it out will avoid it if you know when or how or what came down while it was out of the stream but 99% of people that pull there cards no little about the coding and logging aspect anyhow.

Sorry not trying to preach anything just stating an opinion.

I must say something here. Let's give Penga all the respect that TESTERS can give. I don't know about you, but if it was not for him/her I would still be using rabbit ears. Yes I also have one of those $$$$$ blockers........

At least a ton of people aren't flooding rom10x and bitching at him, or bitching at all for that matter. Toataly diff world in plastic then FTA.

I must say something here. Let's give Penga all the respect that TESTERS can give. I don't know about you, but if it was not for him/her I would still be using rabbit ears. Yes I also have one of those $$$$$ blockers........

For clarifaction I am not discrediting Penga and his work. He is a great in mind, just know a little bit more of him from CC but thats a dead issue. He is great in that he always supports the end user with free tv and scripts. He is always in top of all new changes and is usually one of the first to release a fix. Now with that said sometimes he gets a little sloppy, if you check out his code. Secondly, rushing to be the first out gives his work alot of attention in that a lot of people choose to use it, thus making it a big target. I give the man a lot of credit he has been an asset to the hobby no doubt! :p

As for the $$$$ blocker, I don't have one :D FREE!!!!

At least a ton of people aren't flooding rom10x and bitching at him, or bitching at all for that matter. Toataly diff world in plastic then FTA. You gotta give Pen*a credit.What Charlie is saying is more peeps use your blocker than any other so we will go after you first.It must be tough to create something totally public( and for free )to do battle with a team of coders and engineers that are totally private and most likley highly paid.. The playing field is tilted quite heavily towards Charlie...JMHO.....C:beer: :beer:

I am not bashing penga, I have no problem with him, or his code.... I was saying I am glad the internet has not turned into a witch hunt over the hole in his blocker, if penga was an FTA coder, he would be crucified right now. My statement was to point out how plastic people suck it up, and move on.

I disagree about charlie paying him a complement though, I am 100% sure that if they see any hole, in any blocker, at any time, they will strike. I think this was nothing more then they saw an oportunity and took it, and it happened to be penga that had the hole.

I am not bashing penga, I have no problem with him, or his code.... I was saying I am glad the internet has not turned into a witch hunt over the hole in his blocker, if penga was an FTA coder, he would be crucified right now. My statement was to point out how plastic people suck it up, and move on.

I disagree about charlie paying him a complement though, I am 100% sure that if they see any hole, in any blocker, at any time, they will strike. I think this was nothing more then they saw an oportunity and took it, and it happened to be penga that had the hole.I didn't think you were bashing anyone. You made a good point. Not a lot of bashing by the plastic community. I agree. It's nice to see...C:beer: :beer: P.S. My Bro used pen*a blocker with the latest patch by CH(last cloak before cardkill) and had the four cards at his house come through unscathed(and unmarked).....Still has them in...C

I didn't think you were bashing anyone. You made a good point. Not a lot of bashing by the plastic community. I agree. It's nice to see...C:beer: :beer: P.S. My Bro used pen*a blocker with the latest patch by CH(last cloak before cardkill) and had the four cards at his house come through unscathed(and unmarked).....Still has them in...C

I was running the same thing, not even a hicup - I got lucky when I picked my blocker!!

Still running up, using space since that day, changing keys manually.

Saturday 1:13 AM mexico

Saturday 1:13 AM mexico


If you are changing keys manually, at this point you should not have a problem...

Basically the cards that are (would at this point) getting looped are the ones that were open to receive the keys using the penga blocker.... Now my advice.... Correct me if I'm wrong... If you don't know what you are doing, and are afraid of losing a card, and have a public blocker running a current autoroll, Pull your cards.... Wait and read up on the situation... Like mentioned earlier there are testers, people out to f#$k charlie, and people who want free tv...

I can proudly say I fall in all categories.... (still an amateur at card testing though)

THIS IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT!!!!!!!!

Just reading up on all this....and had a question....is it possible to glitch a card back to its locked state? meaning the way they were when they were subed originally...that way the card looks like an ordinary card and wouldn't get hit...Sort of like a re-locker. You pop the card....drop the tiers you want....re-glitch it back and need i say poooow....you got yourself a card that is not identifiable and receives key updates. Im not talking about a blocker just to be clear...just re-glitching you card in using your unlocker....but this time to lock....i hope you guys/girls understand...might sound kinda newb-ish but its worth to ask. chears :beer:

Just reading up on all this....and had a question....is it possible to glitch a card back to its locked state? meaning the way they were when they were subed originally...that way the card looks like an ordinary card and wouldn't get hit...Sort of like a re-locker. You pop the card....drop the tiers you want....re-glitch it back and need i say poooow....you got yourself a card that is not identifiable and receives key updates. Im not talking about a blocker just to be clear...just re-glitching you card in using your unlocker....but this time to lock....i hope you guys/girls understand...might sound kinda newb-ish but its worth to ask. chears :beer:

it sounds like you're talking about runnign blockerless, which means even though your tiers would be set up, realize you will be locked out of the card as it will become 10b, and thus you will never be able to change the tiers again until a 10b unlocker comes out. If Dish ever decides to send down an EMM that sees something crazy like a wide open ppv string, they can easily wipe the tiers off your card and you will be helpless until you can unlock it.

it sounds like you're talking about runnign blockerless, which means even though your tiers would be set up, realize you will be locked out of the card as it will become 10b, and thus you will never be able to change the tiers again until a 10b unlocker comes out. If Dish ever decides to send down an EMM that sees something crazy like a wide open ppv string, they can easily wipe the tiers off your card and you will be helpless until you can unlock it.



Er ...Ummh .. there IS a 10B unlocker out, however look for a new rev to be on it's way ver soon.

eh,,,no offense magic0,,but new rev has been predicted since a week after the last one came down,,eventually someone will be right!

Fred Raud

Er ...Ummh .. there IS a 10B unlocker out, however look for a new rev to be on it's way ver soon.

my mistake, damn i better go find this

This thread should be closed!!

Kinda scary to see the title show up on the new posts list when you first log in.

This thread should be closed!!

Kinda scary to see the title show up on the new posts list when you first log in.I agree. Gives you the wrong idea. Like...Ooooh nooooo here we go again....C:beer:

This thread should be closed!!

Kinda scary to see the title show up on the new posts list when you first log in.


Agree 100% - I came on the site and thought "damn that was fast, glad I got an armulator"

well,,the ecm from 12/12 is still in the stream...

Fred Raud

Yeah Can a Mod please close this thread...Hell I logged on and Saw QRB's name in this thread and thought Oh No here we go again....LOL
Close this till this type of thread is needed again Which Im sure will be soon enough:beer:

Yeah what he said. Don't need to spill anymore beer. :o :o