A statement from TeamExtreme

I am not one to make a big deal out of autoroll fixes. However, these days with multiple key changes happening daily, autoroll fixes are changing their status from a nice "extra feature" for convenience to a required function of the box! It is for this reason that I bring up our current success with the Magnum XV3300. On 11/22/06, we released Magnum V136 a full day after other boxes released. When we were pressured and pushed to release first we did not do so because we knew that there was more to the B1 data packets in the satellite stream than met the eye. We concentrated our efforts and released a file that is out lasting all of the others. When faced with a choice of speed or longevity always choose longevity! Unlike others, we will not release bad files in a hurry to get first place! What we will do is give you our best! I'm not sure other mfgs and teams can say that.

Watch with confidence,
Mikesmadd

in the overall scheme of things,,,
this fills as many ballons as anyone else's statements..

it only lasts until it's done,, and then someone else will be the blowhard.

in the overall scheme of things,,,
this fills as many ballons as anyone else's statements..

it only lasts until it's done,, and then someone else will be the blowhard.

For a long time, in fta coding, it has all been about who gets the bin out 1st.
I am tickled pink that our team, doesn't care about that.
We care about covering all the bases we can before doing a release, this way you don't have to worry about things, such as ps , vs and the others are dealing with now.
TeamExtreme can now go enjoy its weekend,, while the others are doing what we already figured out :)

Good for you...

until next time anyway ;)

and maybe next time, you'll let your customers blow your horn, instead of blowing it yourself. At least it won't look so cheezy...

I've always wondered about people/teams that feel the need to puff themselves up in front of everyone (look my d#ck is bigger than yours, so I'm better),,,

BL, TDG, MR V and on and on..

it's often better to let you work speak for itself,, instead of you speaking for your work.. that way,, the fall back to earth isn't near as hard...

Something not mentioned much is that this box is also great for the Free-To-Air hobbyist. You can't say that about some of the other top notch boxes. And the Card Reader option is, as reported elsewhere, a Woot Woot Woot+++! :)

Most of us don't really care how first the bin is unless we are totally down.
But we like for it to come...and not feel forsaken after a short while because a newer, more shiny box is in the works. We hope this box is good for a long haul.

No doubt about it, the magnum is going to develop quite a following because it is top notch with standby support. It can't please everybody, but it does please a lot of users. Me included.

Good for you...

until next time anyway ;)

and maybe next time, you'll let your customers blow your horn, instead of blowing it yourself. At least it won't look so cheezy...

I've always wondered about people/teams that feel the need to puff themselves up in front of everyone (look my d#ck is bigger than yours, so I'm better),,,

BL, TDG, MR V and on and on..

it's often better to let you work speak for itself,, instead of you speaking for your work.. that way,, the fall back to earth isn't near as hard...

I think we have let it speak for itself.
This thread was just to clarify to users, that we are not in the race to be 1st, but to be the best we can, if that means releasing a day or so later than the rest, so be it.
Our team busts our butts on these bins and I think it really shows through.

I happen to own 14 other fta units, and would like to be able to use some of them which are not outdated to me (like the 2500, cs4k etc)
I love the maggy, and I love the hard work put forth by the team...

Something not mentioned much is that this box is also great for the Free-To-Air hobbyist. You can't say that about some of the other top notch boxes. And the Card Reader option is, as reported elsewhere, a Woot Woot Woot+++! :)

Most of us don't really care how first the bin is unless we are totally down.
But we like for it to come...and not feel forsaken after a short while because a newer, more shiny box is in the works. We hope this box is good for a long haul.

No doubt about it, the magnum is going to develop quite a following because it is top notch with standby support. It can't please everybody, but it does please a lot of users. Me included.

I agree 100 percent.
One of the main reasons I took the job as the ExtremeView rep was its versatility.
No other unit can work with rom102, rom103 and cardless, that I know of.
It is unheard of in this business.
And the fact the magnum does the aux'ing for you, is awesum, even though I have a powersync, I don't need to risk looping my cards.
Just insert and unlocked card and follow the instructions, and BAM ,it works, very very cool stuff!
I personally have 2 unlocked rom102 cards here ready to aux should another big EMM come down.
That creates and OUTSTANDING feeling of security that my unit will continue to work come what may

I see someone's been taking lessons from the infamous TDG, and learning really really well at that...

too bad we're going to see you and TDG at the same chiropractor,, getting the shoulders treated..

a symptom oft gained from patting yourself on your own back ....

If you think I made a slip by mentioning you and TDG in the same 'breathe',,,

well.. believe me,, it wasn't a mistake..

I'm sure you'll get your AK'rs on a roll at this site soon enough...

enjoy...

I just ordered one thanks to your good track record and most importantly your ROM 102 support.

I see someone's been taking lessons from the infamous TDG, and learning really really well at that...

too bad we're going to see you and TDG at the same chiropractor,, getting the shoulders treated..

a symptom oft gained from patting yourself on your own back ....

If you think I made a slip by mentioning you and TDG in the same 'breathe',,,

well.. believe me,, it wasn't a mistake..

I'm sure you'll get your AK'rs on a roll at this site soon enough...

enjoy...

Well here is a little releif and perhaps 1 less visit to the chiropractor for Sager.
Love my Magnum, at present my #1 FTA Box.
Keep up the Good Work Extremeview Team, your hardwork is appreciated by All the owners of the Magnum Receiver.
Now if you could just come up with an alternate Method of flashing like a USB Stick or using the Smart Card Slot for upgrading, I would be one happy owner and very very impressed.
If you want to compete with the Viewsat I would say that an alternate method of loading bins should be your next upgrade.
Cheers

Love my Magnum, at present my #1 FTA Box.
Keep up the Good Work Extremeview Team, your hardwork is appreciated by All the owners of the Magnum Receiver.

This would about sum it up for me too.
There must me more going on elsewhere for Sager and Team Reliable to be compared to TDG & Company from this single thread. Like me comparing my Ford truck to a Moped...they both roll on. I gotta see some embedded hostility for different opinions before I can even begin to make a comparison. Having a little pride in a task accomplished is no crime in my book. There's always gonna be some muck around, you just gotta go through it. The Magnum's Team goal is to have no real downtime...totally downtime... and it has a good safe alternate option available for those willing and able. But no box is indestructible. The topic of this thread is just info, or muck, or whatever and however you see it. No big deal, certainly this alone makes not a TDG & Company.

It looks like everyone is missing the good Doctor's point. He is simply pointing out that when you put your neck out there, it's liable to be chopped off. After all TDG was gagged, bagged and tagged and still lacks credibiliy. To me the Doctor is giving some sound advice!

With that said the Magnum team has proven and continues to prove that they are on top of the game. These forums are full of people touting the box and it's performance. I am one of them and proud of it, but in this game staying at the top is sometimes hard to accomplish. It does appear the Magnum team is committed to doing this, but only time will tell! For now Magnum is Number one in my books. :yes:

100% Agreement with setwire and heads up Magnum Team, come up with a way to use smartcard slot or usb solution for flashing and you will be turning heads. At least 6 out of 10 people questioning me about Magnum will ask that question.

I agree 100 percent.
One of the main reasons I took the job as the ExtremeView rep was its versatility.
No other unit can work with rom102, rom103 and cardless, that I know of.
It is unheard of in this business.
And the fact the magnum does the aux'ing for you, is awesum, even though I have a powersync, I don't need to risk looping my cards.
Just insert and unlocked card and follow the instructions, and BAM ,it works, very very cool stuff!
I personally have 2 unlocked rom102 cards here ready to aux should another big EMM come down.
That creates and OUTSTANDING feeling of security that my unit will continue to work come what may


Just a heads up for you sager..the Coolsat models 4000,5000 and 6000 all have the 102 feature since back in July and 103 in early September..programing of the card with the reader was also available in July..:D

I see someone's been taking lessons from the infamous TDG, and learning really really well at that...

too bad we're going to see you and TDG at the same chiropractor,, getting the shoulders treated..

a symptom oft gained from patting yourself on your own back ....

If you think I made a slip by mentioning you and TDG in the same 'breathe',,,

well.. believe me,, it wasn't a mistake..

I'm sure you'll get your AK'rs on a roll at this site soon enough...

enjoy...

1st off, I do not pretend to be the coder, I am their rep.
Therefore, I am not patting myself on the back, I am giving credit where credit is due, to the team I work with.
They have done one hell of a job, and those considering the the purchase of one of these units, deserve to know this.
The TDG comment was below the belt.
I play this game fair, unlike him , of course I do have a bias towards Magnum, as I do think it is the best thing going.
I am a hardcore fta tester, having 15 differnet units here, which include pansats, coolsats, dreamboxes, neosats, skyviews, extremeviews and probably others I cant think of right now
I consider myself kind of like those football player who won't endorse a product unless they use it and really do love it.
And I do love the magnums , which is why I took the job as their rep...

Just a heads up for you sager..the Coolsat models 4000,5000 and 6000 all have the 102 feature since back in July and 103 in early September..programing of the card with the reader was also available in July..:D

I was aware of the 102,, not the 103 on coolsats.
And I will have to trust you on that as this is the only time I have heard that.
If that is the case, my statement is inaccurate, and I retract the comment that magnum was the only one which could do all three. :)

I was aware of the 102,, not the 103 on coolsats.
And I will have to trust you on that as this is the only time I have heard that.
If that is the case, my statement is inaccurate, and I retract the comment that magnum was the only one which could do all three. :)

You can check the file section to confirm bin 128>

http://www.dsstester.com/files.php?cat=18&cmd=all&sort=&order=&page=3

BTW from what i have read the magnum sounds like a fine box and i plan on picking one up in the near future, I just thought i would give you a FYI on that:) .

1st off, I do not pretend to be the coder, I am their rep.
Therefore, I am not patting myself on the back, I am giving credit where credit is due, to the team I work with.
They have done one hell of a job, and those considering the the purchase of one of these units, deserve to know this.
The TDG comment was below the belt.
I play this game fair, unlike him , of course I do have a bias towards Magnum, as I do think it is the best thing going.
I am a hardcore fta tester, having 15 differnet units here, which include pansats, coolsats, dreamboxes, neosats, skyviews, extremeviews and probably others I cant think of right now
I consider myself kind of like those football player who won't endorse a product unless they use it and really do love it.
And I do love the magnums , which is why I took the job as their rep...

sager i have no doubt that the magnum is a great box but what i don't understand is the fact that you say you are a hardcore fta tester and run 15 different receivers yet the only post you make on this site are post that are either bashing another company[viewsat,pansat etc] or a sales pitch for the magnum, if you really want to be a active member here why not spread some of your knowledge around and help some members out like we all do, also most people respect the opinion of a unbiased user then a sales rep, so if you really want to join the team here share the experience you have with the 15 different boxes you run, and help some members out thats what most of us do here

Excellent post, jd1122

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sager
A statement from TeamExtreme

I am not one to make a big deal out of autoroll fixes. However, these days with multiple key changes happening daily, autoroll fixes are changing their status from a nice "extra feature" for convenience to a required function of the box! It is for this reason that I bring up our current success with the Magnum XV3300. On 11/22/06, we released Magnum V136 a full day after other boxes released. When we were pressured and pushed to release first we did not do so because we knew that there was more to the B1 data packets in the satellite stream than met the eye. We concentrated our efforts and released a file that is out lasting all of the others. When faced with a choice of speed or longevity always choose longevity! Unlike others, we will not release bad files in a hurry to get first place! What we will do is give you our best! I'm not sure other mfgs and teams can say that.

Watch with confidence,
Mikesmadd



This is how it should be! Viewsat should take note! However, I guess it is not necessary, since they (Viewsat) have already got enough consumers hooked (fooled), by releasing a multitude of faulty bins.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, support should be measured by Quality, not Quantity (or who's first.)


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This is how it should be! Viewsat should take note! However, I guess it is not necessary, since they (Viewsat) have already got enough consumers hooked (fooled), by releasing a multitude of faulty bins.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, support should be measured by Quality, not Quantity (or who's first.)


Well VS has its problems since their main coder quit over the ultra being such a pos.

sager is this you on another site bashing vs again and where are you a mod at just curious its one thing to promote your product but another to bash away at viewsat, i am sure there are a lot of viewsat owners on this site that will disagree with you, jd

Guys guys.... You must have missed some of the earlier posts here. Sager is the rep for the EV Magnum.


I won't let this get any nastier than what it has. Please have a little respect, (meaning everyone in this thread) or I have no choice but to close this thread.

Thanks

magico i am being respectful, it seems that sager is the one who is disrespecting every viewsat owner in order to promote sales, i have not said one bad word about the extreme magnum in fact i agree it is a great receiver , can he not give the same respect back or am i out of line let me know

magico i am being respectful, it seems that sager is the one who is disrespecting every viewsat owner in order to promote sales, i have not said one bad word about the extreme magnum in fact i agree it is a great receiver , can he not give the same respect back or am i out of line let me know


jd ....I never mentioned any names, nor did I mean any single member. That post was for everyone.

magico i am being respectful, it seems that sager is the one who is disrespecting every viewsat owner in order to promote sales, i have not said one bad word about the extreme magnum in fact i agree it is a great receiver , can he not give the same respect back or am i out of line let me know

I have not been bashing Viewsat, I have been pointing out the truth and current issues.
Yes Viewsat lost their coder, over the ultra issue, He quit, and this has caused problems with the Viewsat bin, look at the 2 previous ones to today's.
If that is a bash, then the truth is a bash.
I happen to own a viewsat plat, and an extreme and a pvr7000.
I have paid for all of them, and have used all of them, and I think having nearly 1000 dollars invested in Viewsat units, I am entitled to an opinion about them.

sager where are you a mod at and please show me one post that has to do with anything positive that you made about any receiver you own besides magnum

sager where are you a mod at and please show me one post that has to do with anything positive that you made about any receiver you own besides magnum

Go look at ffta, my over 800 posts there on pansats and viewsats

there is no ffta and you are not a mod, i am telling you point blank that you are a bs artist prove me wrong

sager where are you a mod at and please show me one post that has to do with anything positive that you made about any receiver you own besides magnum

i see some point on your questioning
no need to bash the competitor being a rep for another model

either he is a rep or an end user reviewing those models
i know you are being respetfull but is getting personal and he doesn't have to proof anything to you
if you feel his posts are not honest enough just say so

and he is allowed to promote sales since he represents a sponsor for our forum
it is enough that we have him to repond some of our questions about his product
is up to us what we buy period

el you are right, i am done with this, its a shame that magnum could not have picked a better rep for there receiver because i agree it is probaly the best receiver running today, it would sell on merit alone and not need to resort to bashing other companys, thats my honest opinion

there is no ffta and you are not a mod, i am telling you point blank that you are a bs artist prove me wrong


FUTURE-FTA.INFO is ffta, was just being polite not to post other networks on this site.
I was one of the founding members, and was admin on it for the 1st couple years..

And I also am a network admin for the dsscentral/dsscommunity sites.
You cant see posts from before because we recently had a massive dbase failure, and lost all info on dsscommunity.com.
I also netadmin their irc network, where i have helped 10s of 1000s of people over the years with many different makes and models..

irc.denofsin.net if ya don't believe me, stop by.....

el you are right, i am done with this, its a shame that magnum could not have picked a better rep for there receiver because i agree it is probaly the best receiver running today, it would sell on merit alone and not need to resort to bashing other companys, thats my honest opinion

Once again , where is the bashing?
I have bashed nothing here.
As I said,,, if telling the truth is bashing then this is hopeless. :(

A statement from TeamExtreme

I am not one to make a big deal out of autoroll fixes. However, these days with multiple key changes happening daily, autoroll fixes are changing their status from a nice "extra feature" for convenience to a required function of the box! It is for this reason that I bring up our current success with the Magnum XV3300. On 11/22/06, we released Magnum V136 a full day after other boxes released. When we were pressured and pushed to release first we did not do so because we knew that there was more to the B1 data packets in the satellite stream than met the eye. We concentrated our efforts and released a file that is out lasting all of the others. When faced with a choice of speed or longevity always choose longevity! Unlike others, we will not release bad files in a hurry to get first place! What we will do is give you our best! I'm not sure other mfgs and teams can say that.

Watch with confidence,
Mikesmadd


All so true!
ExtremeView Magnum XV3300 & Team is Number One, not just 1st one!
The party has started with the (Box & Support) Extreme Combination Team !:hat: :hat: :hat:

Well VS has its problems since their main coder quit over the ultra being such a pos.

sager is this you on another site bashing vs again and where are you a mod at just curious its one thing to promote your product but another to bash away at viewsat, i am sure there are a lot of viewsat owners on this site that will disagree with you, jd[/QUOTE]

That was what the coder quit over!
He was getting bashed over the products poor design and workmen ship.
Those are not my words, those are from the coder.

And once again, I have around 1000 dollars worth of VS hardware.
An Extreme, a Plat and an PVR7000 and of course the hdd for it,, of my own!
I don't like that their coder quit either,,, but its a FACT HE DID.
Sure it does some good for Magnums new sales, and that is good for ExtremeView.
And it is my job to tell the world what is going on.
But it doesn't do anything for my units, or the units I have sold to customers, that are screaming at me every day, because they don't like to have to enter keys every couple hours.
This goes for my pansat, coolsat and viewsat customers.
None of them are happy, and you know the average customer just doesn't get it that if you get a couple months from an fta, it has paid for itself.
So they don't want to upgrade.
Anyway, end rant,,sorry to go on like that, but it had to be said..

i know hes promoting magnum, but i fail to see why its bad.. he did post it in the extremeview section, and people who come to this section usually have one or thinking about buying one..

but on the other hand, it should just say "other" boxes have problems and not mention their brand names.

it is a good box tho. hell i wished i found it earlier..

i know hes promoting magnum, but i fail to see why its bad.. he did post it in the extremeview section, and people who come to this section usually have one or thinking about buying one..

but on the other hand, it should just say "other" boxes have problems and not mention their brand names.

it is a good box tho. hell i wished i found it earlier..

Don't you think it is fair to tell the consumers stuff like Viewsats coder quit, and why.
If I just said that other box, they would have no idea who lost their coder, or why.

Don't you think it is fair to tell the consumers stuff like Viewsats coder quit, and why.
If I just said that other box, they would have no idea who lost their coder, or why.

You are being very polite and just saying what has to be said !

Interesting thread to say the least!

The entire Team behind the Magnum has worked overtime from day one, taking real world requests from end users and implementing them in a timely manner.

I have tried nearly every box since day one of the "FTA" craze, for their "unintended purpose", and have not seen such a committment to "get it done right", in such a short time by any manufacturer.

Countless hours of testing, feedback and support, at first in various small forums, then in "other STB" forums on larger sites have led to ExtremeView dedicated forums on very large sites such as Tester.

Along the way to reaching the goal of dedicated support forums on large sites, the Team's posts have been ridiculed, attacked, bashed, members have been banned, the box constantly compared to other manufacturers and posts just plain deleted.

Oh well, that's gonna happen, but tirelessly they tread.

Sure, it's fine to let the box speak for itself.

But why is it wrong to "pat yourself on the back" after working so long and hard to get into a position where you can speak freely in a forum dedicated to the product you are endorsing?

It's not.

It's earned and it's what any manufacturer's Rep would do.

So Sager makes a comment about VS's recent woes.
Is this such a big deal, honestly?

C'mon, the ExtremeView Team has been taking it like men, getting slammed, getting back up and carrying on since day one.

Before I hit the "submit" button, lemme double check:

"ExtremeView Receivers Discussion of the ExtremeView line of receivers."

Ok, this is the correct forum.

You go, Sager!

I dont think the patting yourself on the back is the problem it's the timing of the patting.

If this thread was started when everything was up and running I dont think it would have received the negative responses that it has.

Tact is very important in a business.

Well heck, this is a testing forum. I see nothing wrong with the "TeamExtreme Statement" in the first post. Sounds good to me. AND, they can either live it up or live it down. For me, I wish them success...but I better hang onto my CW600S just it case. It's a good one too, but Magnum is better. :D

I re-read all the negativity posted here in this thread and it doesn't amount to much. The accusations posted here are hardly anything worth getting riled about.

I don't see anyone getting riled,, I see an exchange of positions and ideas, and I see the flaunting (next thing to bashing) of one manu over another (a la TDG), by TWO reps.

I would suggest if the Magnum people, (which I am sure is a great box, at least the same as the others, maybe better for now) don't want to be riduculed, attacked etc,, they their reps should use a little more tact in their promotions. If you guys are getting 'bashed' elsewhere,, maybe MAYBE you should reconsider your delivery methods...
just a thought....
I guess there's nothing wrong with pattying ones self on the back for a good job,, if it's done amongst your fellow workers, otherwise, it's very very tactless, cheezy looking,, and "TDG'ish".. but I guess if that's the face you want to wear,,, so be it....

btw,, maybe you should pat MY back, for helping to promote your box by extending this thread past the 3 or 4 measly posts it would have gotten in the first place, thus, exposing your box to many many more viewers..

I'll expect MY cheque to be in the mail... (just like yours)

I would suggest if the Magnum people, (which I am sure is a great box, at least the same as the others, maybe better for now) don't want to be riduculed, attacked etc,, they their reps should use a little more tact in their promotions. If you guys are getting 'bashed' elsewhere,, maybe MAYBE you should reconsider your delivery methods...
just a thought....

DoctorNik, with all do respect, a few comments and I must move on...

1) the "bashing" was at the onset of the arrival of the Magnum on the FTA scene. ALL manufacturers have gone through it...surely you are aware of that. It doesn't matter what "delivery" method is used, it is a fact that new players will get pushed ad nauseam. Surely, you remember this going back to the DAVE days...

e.g. (and only an example):
WOW! A new 3M on the scene, hey, let's kick the crap out of it and see what it's made of...oh, it's actually really good and can't be dumped, to boot, dammit! OK, well let's kick the crap out of the supplier then, cuz our script just ain't cutting it!

2) you now post that you don't even have a Magnum...why are you even in this discussion forum? Are you a dealer pushing another unit? I dunno, makes one wonder.

3) for the record, I am an alpha tester and tech support, that's it...but of course when I hear of a Team Member getting jostled around a little bit, I'm going to come and check out what the fuss is about.
From what I see here, much ado about nothing...

Make it a great day!

me a dealer... yeah..
a little search will show I've been retired from this 'biz' since April 2002...
I don't test squat anymore,, I have a legit sub with a basic package plus one ad on... pretty lame huh??
what am I doing in here?? I didn't realize that the forums were segregated to various groups... sorry about that.. I guess I enjoy watching the chest thumping, the back patting and slinking away when it all turns bad,,, (look at the history of 'reps' in this biz.. it's the same MO for everyone.. )

So I guess now you'll ask why I'm even here at all since I don't test or anything..

good question...

but, unlike 'some' in this thread,, I have NO agenda, no hidden agenda, no overt agenda,, none what so ever. I stand to gain nothing, or for that matter lose nothing.. I neither get paid by, supplied by or otherwise supported by any group/manu/clan/dist etc. You see, the facts that I can give are completely unbiased. I have never supported one box over another. I have hit all reps with the same stick, equally... if your (retorical your) smacks of BS,,, I'll state it.. and when I've been wrong,, I've been the first to admit it...

I could care less whether one box works and another doesn't, whether one bin is better than the other,, it matters not to me whose d@ck is the biggest this week. I treat everyone and every thing the same here... I give my respect when it's earned and merited, not because someone told me to say this or that.
I also don't respect those that at face value expect to be respected because they 'are somebody', or are supported by somebody,, or are paid by somebody.
No, I'm not patting myself on the back,, (although I probably have more right to than most in this thread),, I'm answering your question #2.. which I have taken slightly as an insult,, but am willing to ignore it for now.

So.. what a I doing in this forum??
maybe,, tempering the 'facts'?? so maybe,, someone won't be accidentally make an uniformed decision..

oh,, btw,, you guys are the only ones that seem to be saying that the VS coder quick,, I would say by the looks of the product recently (until the latest),, there is merit,, but you are the only group I've seen state it,, repeatedly, on multiple forums... (yeah, others are NOW saying it,, but they are really just repeating what you've already said),
that makes one wonder..

hmmmmm

Hard to believe this is still going on! Is the Magnum a good box? Yes! Does it have top notch support? Yes! Will it be number one? Probably! Is your approach proper? That is questionable and I will explain later!

Sager,

Number one I have only one problem with your tatics. ( to me it is a big one) When you first came to testers you were using the same rhetoric, and always somehow working in the Viewsat angle. You have chosen that tactic as a way of proving that the Magnum is so much better. That's fine and I don't have a problem with that, but when it was brought up that the magnum was having serious problems (prior to 133) your response was that it was bogus or user error. You also said Magnum was first with cardless! Not! How about Magnum has NFL Ticket! Not! You see where I'm going with this! BTW! These are statements made in testers forums.

I'm going to be very blunt about this. I do not trust your opinions! You sound like a snake oil salesman. You have put yourself on the line by saying these things and three out of three statements in the above paragraph were wrong.

Now! A little history lesson on what a snake oil salesman does! He has a product that is absolutely perfect, does no wrong, will fix all problems. The cure all of all cure all's. He also has plants in the audience that verify and stand behind his statements. You buy it, take it home, and guess what it doesn't do anything advertised.

That is absolutely not the case with the Magnum. It is a homerun box, but the rhetoric sure as Hell sounds like that of a snake oil salesman.

Sager, I know you are a very knowledable and well respected person and I mean absolutelty no disrespect towards you, but this is how you are coming off. (to me and others) If I offended you in any way, I apologize!

:yes:..to above and if Vs coders quit..then they musta bumped it up a notch cause my Vs aurorollin fine on both providers

Hard to believe this is still going on! Is the Magnum a good box? Yes! Does it have top notch support? Yes! Will it be number one? Probably! Is your approach proper? That is questionable and I will explain later!

Sager,

Number one I have only one problem with your tatics. ( to me it is a big one) When you first came to testers you were using the same rhetoric, and always somehow working in the Viewsat angle. You have chosen that tactic as a way of proving that the Magnum is so much better. That's fine and I don't have a problem with that, but when it was brought up that the magnum was having serious problems (prior to 133) your response was that it was bogus or user error. You also said Magnum was first with cardless! Not! How about Magnum has NFL Ticket! Not! You see where I'm going with this! BTW! These are statements made in testers forums.

I'm going to be very blunt about this. I do not trust your opinions! You sound like a snake oil salesman. You have put yourself on the line by saying these things and three out of three statements in the above paragraph were wrong.

Now! A little history lesson on what a snake oil salesman does! He has a product that is absolutely perfect, does no wrong, will fix all problems. The cure all of all cure all's. He also has plants in the audience that verify and stand behind his statements. You buy it, take it home, and guess what it doesn't do anything advertised.

That is absolutely not the case with the Magnum. It is a homerun box, but the rhetoric sure as Hell sounds like that of a snake oil salesman.

Sager, I know you are a very knowledable and well respected person and I mean absolutelty no disrespect towards you, but this is how you are coming off. (to me and others) If I offended you in any way, I apologize!

Please if you take note, this was a message from the coding team.
I was asked to convey this message, and have.
I have also defended it, as I believe in the team.
And I do think the question of my being a bs artist and not a mod anywhere, was a tad crude and uncalled for.
I am sorry if ffta was too vague, but it is common for posts to be delete if other sites are mentioned, so I tried to stay within common forum and irc guidelines.

I have been dealing with sats since before dn or dtv even existed.
Over 20 years.
My experience started with C-Band dishes, being installed on the roofs of sports bars.
I still deal with sports bars to this day, and have dealt with complete head ends with over 50 dtv irds modulated into its own cable system for places like hotels.
A small example of things i have built http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4108631

If you are directing those comments to me, then you missed the point! Your tactics of low blowing other manufacturers is out of line. Not to mention stretching or sometimes denying actual facts.

I had to go back and reread this thread. Im not questioning whether or not you are a mod, I have nothing to do with that post.

I'm also not questioning your abilities. I have some of my own! I have over 3000 verified sat installations, I have built and maintained close to 25 Headends for all the top Cable Companies. Should I continue! BTW! what's that have to do with this thread?

I gave an objective view to what I see wrong with the approach being used to sell this box. That's all! If you don't like it, so be it.

If you are directing those comments to me, then you missed the point! Your tactics of low blowing other manufacturers is out of line. Not to mention stretching or sometimes denying actual facts.

I had to go back and reread this thread. Im not questioning whether or not you are a mod, I have nothing to do with that post.

I'm also not questioning your abilities. I have some of my own! I have over 3000 verified sat installations, I have built and maintained close to 25 Headends for all the top Cable Companies. Should I continue! BTW! what's that have to do with this thread?

I gave an objective view to what I see wrong with the approach being used to sell this box. That's all! If you don't like it, so be it.


No sir, not at all directed at you.at all.
Look at page 2 of this thread, jd was saying I am a bs artist and a fraud, because he did not believe I was a mod anywhere.
In addition to being a tdg clone or something, I believe that is the farthest thing from the truth..
You have been fair and balanced in this, and consider you a friend in the forums :)

there is no ffta and you are not a mod, i am telling you point blank that you are a bs artist prove me wrong

This is the post I am reffering to ...

When i said 1st with cardless, I also said and rom102 and 103, and have since retracted that they were the only ones to have it.
I do still think they were the 1st to have all 3,, but they are not the only one to have all 3, as proven in a thread here.
I would hope there can be discussion, rather than this beating up on me.
I am not perfect,, I never claimed to be.
If fact I think I am the most honest and straight forward rep you are going to get.
That is what I strive for..

When i said 1st with cardless, I also said and rom102 and 103, and have since retracted that they were the only ones to have it.
I do still think they were the 1st to have all 3,, but they are not the only one to have all 3, as proven in a thread here.
I would hope there can be discussion, rather than this beating up on me.
I am not perfect,, I never claimed to be.
If fact I think I am the most honest and straight forward rep you are going to get.
That is what I strive for..

Looking at file date releases i believe coolsat was first with all 3 for what it's worth.:)

Yes, I saw that when I reread it! I'm sure he will retract it. Hopefully an apology is forth coming. jd, is very helpfull in these forums and a strong supporter of VS, and I'm sure that's what set him off. Of course, I can't speak for him nor do I intend to.

I just thought that since I was quoted the comments were directed towards me.

Believe me, when I say that I am a strong supporter of the Magnum. I just want everyone to know all the facts, whether they be good or bad.

I thank you for the fair and balanced comment, and I do appreciate all the work you and the team are putting into the Magnum.

Yes, I saw that when I reread it! I'm sure he will retract it. Hopefully an apology is forth coming. jd, is very helpfull in these forums and a strong supporter of VS, and I'm sure that's what set him off. Of course, I can't speak for him nor do I intend to.

I just thought that since I was quoted the comments were directed towards me.

Believe me, when I say that I am a strong supporter of the Magnum. I just want everyone to know all the facts, whether they be good or bad.

I thank you for the fair and balanced comment, and I do appreciate all the work you and the team are putting into the Magnum.

Your post was just used as a starting point,, sorry for the confusion.

I agree on all counts, and I see jd is a great asset to this network, and I am sure he is anywhere he goes.
And yes I think what I said about VS set him off, but sad to say, it is the truth and the truth is a bitter pill.
There is no question magnum had a rocky start with their bins, and without being a basher, it all went back to the previous teams code, and their lack of putting cpu priorities in the code, once that was noticed, it was a simple , yet time consuming issue to correct.
In short, when something wanted to work it took all the cpu it needed, like when autoroll scanned for new keys,, it just took anything it could get, this caused video and audio freezes.

I understand where jd is coming from, not knowing who or what I am, or about.
But to call me a bs artist and a fraud, without even asking what ffta meant, was harsh.

When I said I started in C-Band, that also included installing and maintaining the black cards for videocypher (hehe ya remember those days?)

Back then the bars could get away with having pirated signals in their bars, there were no full time investigation teams running around, like dave has now.

Yes I skipped doing cards, as other concerns were in my life, but I am back with FTA.
But the whole time, during my not dealing with cards, I was still doing sat systems all the time, be it installs or service calls or whatever.
So I am not a newb, I am not inexperienced, and have been in fta since it started up, literally considering fta started with the c-band type hardware, around 20 years ago :)

Yea! The good old days! Sore back and all! They were some beasts! I'll bet we wouldn't have near the testers today if they had to use that equipment. Hell! today, throw an 18in platter up, load a file and go. Of course that's a good thing when you start getting old as dirt.

Hopefully there won't be no more bashing or beating up on you, and I'm glad to have you as the Magnum rep and look forward to good things to come.:beer:

Now! Tell them to find an alternative to flashing! Hey! It doesn't hurt to ask. Tell them you have an old fart that won't buy a laptop.:lol:

I loved those Drake recievers with the outboard lna polarotor controllers...
sad to see the motorized actuator arrive though,,, more fun having people run outside to change the sat, looking for the magic marker mark, or rusty scratch..

hated the 3 hundred lb prodelin dishes,, and the Delhi GI dishes were beasts too.. now those spun aluminum... they were nice,, could haul one up all by yerself if you had to.. (saved paying some punk kid anyway)

there sure wasn't any instant gratification then,,,

yeah,, those were the days... real free to air,, with substance...

Rusty Scratch! LMAO! Move it to the third rusty scratch on the left!

Thanks Doctor, That was good therapy!

Yea! The good old days! Sore back and all! They were some beasts! I'll bet we wouldn't have near the testers today if they had to use that equipment. Hell! today, throw an 18in platter up, load a file and go. Of course that's a good thing when you start getting old as dirt.

Hopefully there won't be no more bashing or beating up on you, and I'm glad to have you as the Magnum rep and look forward to good things to come.:beer:

Now! Tell them to find an alternative to flashing! Hey! It doesn't hurt to ask. Tell them you have an old fart that won't buy a laptop.:lol:

HA!
Sore backs was a given, especially before they came out with segmented mesh panels.
Lets not forget about installing actuator arms and having a gust of wind come up,, and almost having 4 fingers sliced off in the pivot mechanism.
Or god forbid how heavy those rolls of wire were, that flat pack wire weighed a TON.

People complain about superdishes and dtvs new 5 lnb dishes, I laff when I hear that stuff..

sager i will aplogize for saying you were not a mod , i can admit when i am wrong, but i will not aplogize for any statement i made about the way you go out of your way to bash viewsat or any other fta receiver on this site as well as other sites, i have never bashed the magnum and the main reason i even read the magnum threads is because i may want to buy one in the near future, i take more stock in reading about the magnum from experienced users on this site, as a matter of fact raider51 was one of the first if not the first to run one and report a unbiased opinion about the magnum , i have watched as each new release for the magnum addressed glitches that it had, if i bought one earlier by listening to you i would have thought that it was user error[not true] that caused the problems that the magnum had in the beginning, in your eyes the magnum can do no wrong when in fact it took many updates to get it right, i listen to users instead of salesman and i have no problem with you selling your product the only problem i have is you bashing other receivers

Looking at file date releases i believe coolsat was first with all 3 for what it's worth.:)

I have looked into this, and I was correct.
Magnum bin release supporting rom103 http://www.funwithfta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2055&highlight=rom+103
sept 1 2006

Coolsat release was on sept 7 2006.

Close, but Magnum was 1st :)

sager i have a question for you and i am not being a smartass, my friend that is running a magnum said that the other provider is not auto rolling is this a problem, or is it just his receiver

I have looked into this, and I was correct.
Magnum bin release supporting rom103 http://www.funwithfta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2055&highlight=rom+103
sept 1 2006

Coolsat release was on sept 7 2006.

Close, but Magnum was 1st :)
Sager
Now that we have straightened out who was 1st with carded fix. How about a straight answer on whether Magnum Coders are working on a bin that will support an alternate way to flash these units?
Like the Viewsat Ultra USB Memory Stick or the Pansat 3500 SD Card Method.
Are the coders looking into anything like this?
Perhaps using the card reader with a Smart Card?
If you are a rep for Magnum and you want to increase Magnum Sales then I would say an upgrade to flashing should be a major priority on your list.
One of the main reasons why people are buying Ultra Receivers at present is the USB flashing feature.
I have put foreword this request on the many threads on wish lists for the Magnum Receiver here and elsewhere and have been ignored.
So how about a straight answer on the above, Is it Possible? Is anyone trying to find a way?
Cheers
A happy Magnum Owner looking for a straight answer to a basic question.

J.D. I own 2 magnums and both are down due to autoroll fixes ,not all mag recievers are working on the 136 bin.

tried manual loading keys to no avail.

i've been informed the team is working on whatever the problem may be..
ANYONE ELSE HEAR ?

thanks for the reply hammerman. since i am not running a magnum i did not know if it was a problem and sager it just goes to show you that no receiver is perfect, btw my viewsats are all running and rolling

J.D. I own 2 magnums and both are down due to autoroll fixes ,not all mag recievers are working on the 136 bin.

tried manual loading keys to no avail.

i've been informed the team is working on whatever the problem may be..
ANYONE ELSE HEAR ?

It appears that another provider changed some stuff right after our release of 136.
We are aware of it and are working on a new bin for it.
As for the keys not working with manual entry, that is a 1st, everyone else I have spoken to on this it has worked.
Check another source for the keys, perhaps the ones you have are incorrect..

Sager
Now that we have straightened out who was 1st with carded fix. How about a straight answer on whether Magnum Coders are working on a bin that will support an alternate way to flash these units?
Like the Viewsat Ultra USB Memory Stick or the Pansat 3500 SD Card Method.
Are the coders looking into anything like this?
Perhaps using the card reader with a Smart Card?
If you are a rep for Magnum and you want to increase Magnum Sales then I would say an upgrade to flashing should be a major priority on your list.
One of the main reasons why people are buying Ultra Receivers at present is the USB flashing feature.
I have put foreword this request on the many threads on wish lists for the Magnum Receiver here and elsewhere and have been ignored.
So how about a straight answer on the above, Is it Possible? Is anyone trying to find a way?
Cheers
A happy Magnum Owner looking for a straight answer to a basic question.

We are aware of the desire to be able to flash it in other ways.
We are looking into options, but have nothing to report at this time.
When and if we have an alternative method available, I will of course let everyone know.
Stay tuned :)

hammerman check your source of keys[compare two key grabbers ] and put in keys manually and leave autoroll on let me know how you make out

We are aware of the desire to be able to flash it in other ways.
We are looking into options, but have nothing to report at this time.
When and if we have an alternative method available, I will of course let everyone know.
Stay tuned :)
Thank You for the reply.
Finally at least a response from someone in the know.
The alternate flashing feature if implemented would secure the Magnum as #1 FTA Receiver.
Especially with ALL the problems Viewsat is having with their New Ultra Receiver.

J.D. I own 2 magnums and both are down due to autoroll fixes ,not all mag recievers are working on the 136 bin.

tried manual loading keys to no avail.

i've been informed the team is working on whatever the problem may be..
ANYONE ELSE HEAR ?

DN autorolls perrrrrfect

setwire thanks for the tip that i posted for hammerman, since i am not running the magnum i had no way to try it, much appreciated

J.D. I own 2 magnums and both are down due to autoroll fixes ,not all mag recievers are working on the 136 bin.

tried manual loading keys to no avail.

i've been informed the team is working on whatever the problem may be..
ANYONE ELSE HEAR ?

Sounds like operator error.
My Magnum with 136 bin is just rolling along.
Might want to double check the keys you entered.
1 digit out is a No Go.

I havent heard of any Mags down. Mine is running fine with the new bin and I didnt read about any problems at their home site either. Its got to be another problem you have.

Chuck,

Manual key entry is required for another provider. That is what he is having a problem with. I'm not sure why we are even discussing it, other than the fact that it is definately not rolling.

OK..thanks...didnt read far enough back just what was quoted and from that it seemed that he had more than one box down and no mention of the other provider. Must be a key entry problem unless he isnt the only one with the problem???

If your only testing ghasrgnearwe6jdffghjdr its rolling on 133, will work until new bin is released!

I have looked into this, and I was correct.
Magnum bin release supporting rom103 http://www.funwithfta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2055&highlight=rom+103
sept 1 2006

Coolsat release was on sept 7 2006.

Close, but Magnum was 1st :)

Technically correct but the bin had faults..so they had to release a fix.

Quote: This file has been upgraded to clear up any writing issues, and freezing end users were experiencing on their rom103 cards.

They released the fix Sept 8th and like you stated coolsat had a working bin sept 7th:D

A statement from TeamExtreme

I am not one to make a big deal out of autoroll fixes. However, these days with multiple key changes happening daily, autoroll fixes are changing their status from a nice "extra feature" for convenience to a required function of the box! It is for this reason that I bring up our current success with the Magnum XV3300. On 11/22/06, we released Magnum V136 a full day after other boxes released. When we were pressured and pushed to release first we did not do so because we knew that there was more to the B1 data packets in the satellite stream than met the eye. We concentrated our efforts and released a file that is out lasting all of the others. When faced with a choice of speed or longevity always choose longevity! Unlike others, we will not release bad files in a hurry to get first place! What we will do is give you our best! I'm not sure other mfgs and teams can say that.

Watch with confidence,
Mikesmadd

lol...how longevity before szdfsgrsdfsdfsfsfg rolls again?

anyone can make a mistake,, hence,, no need to bash others and pat yourself on the back,, (hint hint).... chit happens,, whoopee..
(I've been biting my tongue on this for awhile now,, but I promised someone I would be nice :) )

Saying that the 'other provider' changed something after your release is a little misleading,, after all it appears ALL the other coding teams had a working roll for the other provider...

but I'll be good..

I'm sure your team will produce a fully working bug free fix for your clients asap.. and the magnum will rockin again

good luck with that

When v136 was released,the other provider wasn't changing keys every day,
so the bug in autoroll wasn't detected.The team maybe assumed both providers
would roll keys the same way when they released v136.

I can partially except that..
but....
it certainly doesn't explain why pansat rolled,,

and magnum didn't

does it?

but, like I said,,, chit happens, mistakes are made and then corrected,, no big deal..

happens to

everyone

Everyone knows what happens when you ASSUME something!

Hopefully, I don't have to explain that one!

I don't give reps anymore (nor take them),,
so

+1 Raider

Thanks Doctor! That means alot coming from you!