Viewsat vs. ExtremeView Magnum [Archive] - DssTester.com

Sager

10-29-2006, 11:51 AM

Allthough it is nice you have brought this up. As suggested no discussing the nothern provider in these forums.

With that said and having both of these units. Autoroll function is not working on certain VS for some reason, but not all. There were problems with magnum's autoroll which was addressed with todays release. NFL ticket working? No! Hardware specs, the magnum is and does have the biggest and best processor and memory, but the VS ultra has the same specs. and it has usb flash capability.

Downside to the magnum right now is the glitching and that is being addressed with each and every file release. You have none of that on any VS. Support for magnum is great. We all know about VS support, nothing needs said about that.

I have said this before and I will stick to it, the magnum picture quality and guide blow all others away. My understanding is the ultra has just as good of a picture, but I do not have one so I cannot compare that, but I do have the extreme and platinum and it is much better than those two.

Let's not forget the best thing about the magnum is the card and cardless solution. That alone was the only reason I prefer the magnum. Of course since I got one the picture quality and guide are added to that.

Pricing! Yes, for what you get with the magnum, it more than competitively priced, but let's be realistic about this a couple months ago they were selling in the 200 dollar range not the mid 100's.

Don't get me wrong I love my magnum and it probably is going to be the top of the heap. In the same sense I have absolutely no regrets about my VS's. IMO no one can go wrong buying either.

I agree on all counts.
The 128 bin did have the problem with that other companies AR being off on one byte, that too is being addressed, and may have been on 130.
I am not currently aimed at them, so I am waiting on feedback from some of my other testers
When asked about the picture quality I compare it to the viewsat pvr7000, but at 2/5th the cost.
I do hope that VS fixed their component output on the ultra, they had a noise problem with the Extreme.
I cannot figure out why some Viewsats AR work and others don't.
I have been searching for some commonality and have found none, it is very confusing.
I have found more people are having problems with it, than are not.
All in all, I think the Magnums support is second to none on response.
I made mention of the Closed Captioning not working, and it was fixed within 12 hours.
This made a deaf guy I know VERY happy. I have never seen such a fast response to a notification of a bug.
I have forwarded problems to Viewsat and Pansat in the past, and some of them still have not been fixed to this day. I am not sure if they can't do it, or don't care.
One great example of that is the Viewsats motor controls, to this day they still do not work properly, not even close.
You have to manually move the motor to change sats.
While this is ok for some of us, my customers were very upset about it..

jd1122

10-29-2006, 12:11 PM

sager just so you know there is no problem with the component jacks on the ultra, i have tried all three methods[coaxial,s-video, high component] all work great, also the sound glitch was already fixed with the new pgm that was released, the only problem not addressed yet was the factory default setting on the ultra, i hope a new fix will be comeing soon, you started this thread to get a comparision of two receivers, it seems you are not even running either is that right, i am not here to sway anyone towards one receiver or the other, in fact i may buy a extreme magnum and run both, each has its own good points and each is a good buy but you are sounding more like a salesman then someone interested in opinions, thats my take on this thread

Sager

10-29-2006, 12:19 PM

jd1122

10-29-2006, 12:26 PM

Raider51

10-29-2006, 12:33 PM

Sager,

I just want to lay out all the facts about the magnum. You have to take the good with the bad.

At this point in time the Viewsats are a much more reliable box.(For the masses) In other words all the glitches have been worked out. Well! I should restate that, some boxes are having autoroll problems, but to me changing a couple keys now and again is not a problem. I personally have not had that problem.

The magnum is not a plug and play box. You can easily screw it up. You have to take your time and set it up right for it to work right. What I'm trying to say it is not as user friendly as the VS. I'm also not saying it is hard, it is different. The scanning is painfully slow as compared to VS, there is a reason for this and I won't get into that now.

The component output on the magnum definately blows the VS out of the water. I'm sure this is due to the processor. Again I cannot compare this the ultra or PVR only the extreme and platinum. That holds true to any statements I'm making about VS

You are also correct about the USALS on the VS. I think that VS is more concerned about keeping the box working for the masses as opposed to the few that are using motors. I mean no disrespect by that at all. I think you know what I mean. Whereas the magnum is making sure everything is covered.

I'm not trying to sway anyone into buying this box. I did that with Orasats once and what a mistake that was. This thread is about the good and the bad of these units and that's what we are trying to do. They are both good boxes, but the magnum is much more sophisticated and geared toward the high end user. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

BTW! It says updating code when on something. looking for something Left that way for an hour nothing happened

Sager

10-29-2006, 12:35 PM

thats great , so how can you or i compare the ultra to a magnum unless we are running both, i would say the magnum has the advantage because of the ability to run cardless or cards, but what is it that you want to hear, you keep stateing that viewsat in general does not respond to technical problems, i would say that nothing is farther then the truth, look back to when all fta receivers were down and viewsat was the only one to come out with a fix, not trying to flame you but what is your point, is the magnum extreme a great receiver yes, does viewsat make great receivers yes, let the buyer chose what the want, thats about it

I never said I was comparing it to the ultra, just VS in general.
I was simply pointing out the truths of the situation.
I like the VS units, for the most part, I know all the players involved, and yes they had the 1st cardless fix with the map call issue.
But its sad the way their heads have gotten so big, they don't listen, or seem to care about some of the things, the coders for ExtremeView do, and they respond extremely fast.
These guys stay up for days at a time sometimes working on these bins, when there is no emergency, just to take care of the customers.
They want to be the best coding team there is, and they are working their arses off to achieve it, I think the people need to know this :)

dsns5000

10-29-2006, 12:42 PM

Sager

10-29-2006, 12:45 PM

Don't know much about the Magnum except what I've read...testing VS Xtreme and PS 3500sd.
Do know that VS is superior to PS...3500 anyway.
Wish there was standard for updating IRD's. I like the USB flash the best as SD card needs reader unless you have newer puter.
I'm looking for two more receiver's as waiting on 5x4 tone control sw that I'm sure will work if I can setup IRD's correctly...lol.
Anyway, appreciate the posts from all...off till Wed. night...yeah!!!

Personally, the SDRAM card is by far my favorite way tlash an ird.
I love that I can carry one in my wallet, no laptop, no bulky usb pen drive (by comparison).
Makes it very easy to make the rounds to customers houses.

jd1122

10-29-2006, 12:46 PM

sager i agree with you that the magnum support seems more dedicated to its customers, i was pointing out that you stated that you hoped vs would fix the component problems with the ultra, you were wrong there is no component problem on the ultra, i assumed you wanted the good and bad points of each receiver, i have stated that the only problem not addressed yet on the ultra is the factory default problem, i would also agree with raider that the magnum requires a bit more knowledge to set up then the ultra, to some people this will be no problem to others it might, anyway i wish you the best with your magnum as i am sure it will be one of or the best fta receiver out there, since i do not own a magnum [yet] i go by the opinions of trusted members like raider for a review, thats what these forums are all about

Sager

10-29-2006, 12:54 PM

dsns5000

10-29-2006, 12:56 PM

jd1122

10-29-2006, 12:57 PM

well they have fixed it with the ultra, have a great day :D

Sager

10-29-2006, 01:02 PM

I got ya...will stick with usb as all laptops and desktops have this connection...and dirt cheap...wouldn't know what else to use it for cept updating. And from what I understand, No more turning off and on ird anymore.
Real reason is wife has card reader and traveling, so stuck using cable most of time. New card readers cost more than flash....lol.

Most newer pc's and lappys have sdram card readers in them now, because of their popularity for cameras and phones. (transflash in phones, but most come with an adapter.
Kind of cool to be able to download a bin, with your phone hehehehehe.
And readers for them are dirt cheap, so its not a very big expense to get a usb reader.
The SDRAM is just my personal favorite, I hope it becomes a standard issue device for all receivers some day :)

Raider51

10-29-2006, 01:03 PM

I never said I was comparing it to the ultra, just VS in general.
I was simply pointing out the truths of the situation.
I like the VS units, for the most part, I know all the players involved, and yes they had the 1st cardless fix with the map call issue.
But its sad the way their heads have gotten so big, they don't listen, or seem to care about some of the things, the coders for ExtremeView do, and they respond extremely fast.
These guys stay up for days at a time sometimes working on these bins, when there is no emergency, just to take care of the customers.
They want to be the best coding team there is, and they are working their arses off to achieve it, I think the people need to know this :)

You are absolutely right about Team Reliable, they definately address problems or concerns brought up by the customer. Hell, they bend over backwards to answer and fix some of these problems. But then again they have a unit that is capable of accomplishing these tasks. I'm sure the ultra will be more than capable of handling these tasks as well. There is no doubt in my mind these two units are the big players in this game. And it may well turn into a coder battle. Just keep in mind once magnum sells a trillion units (just a number) will they still be listening to the customer. Right now they need to concentrate on glitching before anything else is accomplished.

Sager

10-29-2006, 01:11 PM

You are absolutely right about Team Reliable, they definately address problems or concerns brought up by the customer. Hell, they bend over backwards to answer and fix some of these problems. But then again they have a unit that is capable of accomplishing these tasks. I'm sure the ultra will be more than capable of handling these tasks as well. There is no doubt in my mind these two units are the big players in this game. And it may well turn into a coder battle. Just keep in mind once magnum sells a trillion units (just a number) will they still be listening to the customer. Right now they need to concentrate on glitching before anything else is accomplished.

Agreed.
On the trillion unit issue, yes I think they will.
They know this unit isn't the only one they will ever make/sell.
These guys really do care, its not just a job, but a matter of pride, I like that in a coder.
Like adding search and program reservation.
No one else has this search feature, that I have seen.
And the reservation/autotune feature, helps to stop the need for 3rd party flashes.
You can set it up for any program then program a vcr or external tivo/dvr to record it.
No need or t type flashes like on pansats.

dsns5000

10-29-2006, 01:12 PM

Yes, SDRAM would be totally cool be me too as never had a prob. with card, except way too many files...lol.

jd1122

10-29-2006, 01:19 PM

sager i think what raider meant[ i could be wrong] is that he rather see the coders for magnum address the main glitches first then the bells and whitles

dsns5000

10-29-2006, 01:25 PM

I don't understand why the magnum is easier than VS to record to pvr?

Raider51

10-29-2006, 01:26 PM

sammy111

10-29-2006, 01:33 PM

Hello,

I did load Oct 27 2006 7pm Opkey.hex file into my STB, using the loader. I clicked on open files button, 10-27-2006_opkey(file name), files of type: Receiver files, clicked open button, the file loaded ok from PC to STB, still can't get DN channels to work. I turned off my receiver from back button, waited for couple of minutes, turned it on and still can't get any!!!! I changed the keys from code--Nagra to the following:

Dish 000100:
(08) (E6 80 E6 01 DB 7D EE 4D)
(09) (9B 12 EC 90 62 27 AD 26)
(88) (60 77 1C 7E 27 D2 F4 80)
(89) (50 5E 4A A2 68 03 F2 CD)

from

Dish 000100

08 71 9c 60 71 04 c1 39 ae
09 88 ff f0 5e d2 4c f3 fc
88 71 9c 60 71 04 c1 39 ae
89 88 ff f0 5e d2 4c f3 fc

what I had previously.

and changed line from

Unknown 010100

(88) 06 07 71 c7 e2 7d 2f 48

to

(88) (60 77 1C 7E 27 D2 F4 80)

and the rest of the codes are the same as the ones under Dish.

turned the switch button off, waited, turned it on and still can't get any!!!
I Have ViewSat Platinum.

PLEASE HELP ME!!!!

THANK YOU.

jd1122

10-29-2006, 01:39 PM

sammy you are hijacking this thread, start your own thread and you will be helped

Sager

10-29-2006, 02:25 PM

sager i think what raider meant[ i could be wrong] is that he rather see the coders for magnum address the main glitches first then the bells and whitles

The new 130 bin, I have been running since last night , hasn't glitched once that I have seen.
I am however having 50+ mph winds so the dishes are flexing a tad causing loss of signal on occasion.

The glitching has been a concern but has been an issue the coders are working on all the time, and will continue on until its gone.

I do want to add that my sub pvr501 freezes sometimes too.

The new features have been in the works for a long time, so as they are completed they are added, remember this is a team effort, so some work on some things, others on the other..

tooskinny

10-29-2006, 02:33 PM

Sager knows his stuff. It will be interesting to see how well the magnum does when dish throws something more complicated in the stream. I think for most people that is what they look for not only price but reliability and right now it seems magnum has both:yes: :)

Raider51

10-29-2006, 02:45 PM

Nobody is disputing that he knows his stuff. I'm more concerned about the agenda. There is nothing wrong with either one of these receivers, they both have their problems. Right now magnums main problem is glitching and some channels are worse than others, but to say the problem doesn't exist is not the truth. I am using V130 and my system is tight as hell and I'm experiencing glitching (which is very minor) but side by side with a viewsat the viewsat does not glitch. If your going to present a comparasion of the two, then don't sugar coat it. It has been there from day one and is still there.

woofy

10-29-2006, 03:02 PM

jd,

Spot on, on that. I know the coders are putting everything they can into this, but if you can't control the glitch issue what is the point. I really wish this thread was not in the VS section. This should have been put in the other receiver section. I do not want this to appear as a bash against Viewsats.

Right on raider..this is a thread about magnum and should be in other FTA receiver forum...you start this then you might as well talk about Coolsat with the card reader first.. no glitches and all that stuff..ok just a tease guys..but really this should be in other FTA as you said raider.:D

dsns5000

10-29-2006, 03:06 PM

VS will hold up to anything out there. Looks like magnum put everything into the one box as it's the only product they have.

dsns5000

10-29-2006, 03:07 PM

So what the heck is a coolsat since we're off the subject...lol.

woofy

10-29-2006, 03:29 PM

So what the heck is a coolsat since we're off the subject...lol.

Sorry..could not resist..well that would be that beast of an STB(Coolsat aux) that peoples where watching dishnet with (with card) before any other FTA unit...including all of the above.

dsns5000

10-29-2006, 03:40 PM

Cool...thanks for the history. Haven't had to use plastic as lazy as heck...oh well. That is very cool tho.

jd1122

10-29-2006, 03:53 PM

i agree with raider and woofy, saga you should have started this thread in other receivers not vs forum, according to you the magnum can do no wrong, the more you post the more it seems you are trying to flame vs owners as well as other receivers, if you love your magnum then more power to you, but who cares at this point since you have a one sided opinion of what is the best, the end result is that we are all watching the same thing, and from what i have been told there are a few problems with the magnum, you can pm me and i will tell you what they are, certain things are not to be posted on here it has to do with other providers, i will be happy to eleborate by pm

Sager

10-29-2006, 04:35 PM

I don't understand why the magnum is easier than VS to record to pvr?

Sorry meant to reply to this earlier, and got sidetracked.
The reason is, the Magnum has the ability to autotune to channels and times you specify.
So there is no need for the pvr to control the unit, Just set the pvr and the Magnum to the same dates and time, and it will do it on its own.

jd1122

10-29-2006, 04:43 PM

sager since you are a expert on the magnum feel free to jump in on any of the threads dealing with people running magnums, since this is a viewsat receiver forum i think you are in the wrong place, i am sure members running the magnum could use your advice, thats what we do here

Sager

10-29-2006, 08:25 PM

setwire

10-29-2006, 11:05 PM

Ya just waiting on the ExtremeView section to be created.
I guess it is supposed to happen fairly soon :)

I hope so.
In the meanwhile use the "Other" Forum where all the other Extremeview Information is at present.

du2772

10-30-2006, 05:53 AM

Spent some time reading the owners manual of the ExtremeView, I could not find any switch setup options outside of a Diseqc, two types one motorized the other not.
No option for Legacy SW.

There does not seem to be any method to connect other switches, example SW21, DP34,etc. Or am I missing something.
Will these other switches work using the Diseqc setting?

LNB settings of single, universal and Dish Pro seem limited compared to Standard. Universal, OCS-DP, Legacy Twin and Legacy Quad as found on the Viewsat Extreme.

Having read the owner's manual a few times the information on switches tends to be Diseqc or nothing.

If one is confined to the included Diseqc switch and there are compatibility issues where other switches are required this would be a significant drawback.

Raider51

10-30-2006, 07:22 AM

du,

Actually the magnum has every combination available for switches. It may not show in the the manual, but it does have every possible combination.

du2772

10-30-2006, 07:48 AM

Thanks Raider, thought it might be on the bin, but then again when considering a product one can only go by the manufacturers information.

Thanks again.

showhorse

01-20-2007, 06:32 PM

viewsat is running on its own and magnum isnt .........
the magnum has extra features but if they dont pick up the provider what good are they ????
i baught 2 of these units with the understanding that they have nothing but the best support of any unit ......(seems it has been a while now and they are still down "with out a card")
viewsat "which i also have two of them both auto role at this time and are picking up both providers at present .....
color is better on the magnum i think but lots of things are not correct on this unit as any one can read about on the forum .....but it does have these things available .....
..............but for all you people that dont have the viewsat to fall back on ....i know it isnt much fun ........maybe it wont be to long .....your friend .......

chuck

01-20-2007, 07:11 PM

Magnum running just fine for DN but Northern Girl needs a card....for some of us things are fine and for others things are not good. If you have a card all is good. Thats the reason I bought the Magnum. Because it can work cardless or with the card. Always good to have cards or other boxes for backup in this hobby.

Exactly why I test more than one brand FTA box and also have dish receivers running.

chuck

01-20-2007, 07:15 PM

Just curious showhorse why you are starting up an old thread telling us how good your box is and that Magnum doesnt stand up. I will be watching you in the future if it is ever the other way around.

We dont bash any boxes here at this site. We try to help each other.

I seem to recall another post tonight along these same lines from you...time to cool your heels.

Grüner Elefant

01-20-2007, 11:49 PM

Watching DN - no card and V-138.

Having FUN with my Magnum:hat:

setwire

01-21-2007, 01:26 AM

Watching DN - no card and V-138.

Having FUN with my Magnum:hat:

That Great Gruner,
---- how about the rest of us that watch the other provider?----and don't have 102 or 103 Cards to aux.

Cost of 102 and 103 Cards at present are about the same price as a Viewsat Receiver.

So what do you suggest?

Should I buy a Viewsat Receiver or a 102 or 103 Card for my Magnum ?

just-me

01-21-2007, 03:20 AM

So what do you suggest?

Should I buy a Viewsat Receiver or a 102 or 103 Card for my Magnum ?
you already have another box, so use it to watch the other provider.
sounds simple enough to me...

anyway, IMO, if you're not using an FTA STB to watch as many providers as possible, then there will be periods of darkness if you don't have a backup plan.

hopefully, the Team Reliable coders are taking the time to release something more than just a quick patch.

that's how they've always done it.
look at V136, it is still running fine from early November for Charlie!

look at all of the file releases the other STB's have had to release because of various issues.

just my observations...

du2772

01-21-2007, 04:11 AM

Cost of 102 and 103 Cards at present are about the same price as a Viewsat Receiver.

So what do you suggest?

Should I buy a Viewsat Receiver or a 102 or 103 Card for my Magnum ?

Hey set, with the ever-present uncertainty surrounding our hobby a card is always good to have. Purchased a Magnum as opposed to adding to my Viewsat collection specifically because of this option, then there is always the ability to use a ird if necessary.

I personally believe with the high number of FTA units emerging daily, this has to be the priority target for Charlie. This could easily lead to a period where the only way to access anything will be through a card.
Should this come about the price of 102's will hit the roof, as demand reflects the high number of FTA users seeking alternatives.

My Magnum and Viewsat's sit atop 4900's, figuring if one goes down the other can, hopefully, be up in short order.

There are many active threads with FTA units down and losing channels, this could increase exponentially.

Hondo

01-21-2007, 07:05 AM

Hey set, with the ever-present uncertainty surrounding our hobby a card is always good to have.

Indeed. Which is why I have 6 102's at R103 sitting in an envelope in case I ever need them. I figure it this way though...My Viewsat runs fine for now and if I ever need a Magnum my bet is that I'll be able to pick one up cheap from someone wanting to unload it because they can't or won't pay the high $$ for a card.

Raider51

01-21-2007, 09:09 AM

This has been my first real test of how well the card performs on the Magnum and it does indeed do the job. The other provider is working fine with it.

The card solution was one of my determining factors when I purchased the Magnum. In my case I All ready had cards, and had one programmed so it wasn't a big deal to get it going. I know that's not the case for most of us, but I would keep my eyes open for a good deal and jump on it.

Hi Hondo, Good to see you. BTW! I think Chuck still has one for sale.

vancouverjack

01-21-2007, 09:27 AM

This card for magnum where can I get one and how do I get the info on installing and setting one up ??? I want my MTV

Raider51

01-21-2007, 09:53 AM

vancouverjack,

Where to get one is probably the hardest part. There is no go here and you get one. Search the forums, garage sales, etc, You are looking for a Rom102 or Rom103 card. Here is a link for what you are looking for in a card http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=75930

How to setup is the easiest part. Keep in mind you need it to be unlocked. If you don't have an unlocker you will need someone else to do this. You also do not need an ISO, as you can use the card reader to program it.

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=75000

Grüner Elefant

01-21-2007, 03:17 PM

That Great Gruner,
---- how about the rest of us that watch the other provider?----and don't have 102 or 103 Cards to aux.

Cost of 102 and 103 Cards at present are about the same price as a Viewsat Receiver.

So what do you suggest?

Should I buy a Viewsat Receiver or a 102 or 103 Card for my Magnum ?

If the above was your situation I would suggest buying a card, (it also will most likely increase in value) and use it (as a life raft when things are dark) with the Magnum.
Having FUN with my Magnum! :hat:

showhorse

01-25-2007, 07:09 PM

sorry chuck and everything will be ok ...............thanks for the call ..............nothing but respect to ya guy...

jd1122

01-25-2007, 07:27 PM

sorry for stepping on any toes there bro.........i have several of these fta units and i paid for all of mine..........i had the card deal long ago for pansat and coolsat cards isnt anything new to me i only have around probably 6 fta units and 20 or 22 of the dish receivers and cards...........and everyine else was talking freely about the units so i thaught i could i wasnt meaning to get banned for speaking freely so if i offended anyone for telling the truth i am sorry............................................. .

p.s. i wont need anyone watching me thanks anyway

showhorse if i were you i would not get all bent out of shape about the magnum, and it is never a good idea to disrespect a mod here or on any site, i am as honest and straight forward as they come so i will give you my opinion of what my present take is on the magnum, they have a lot of problems with there new released bins and i feel that most people would except that if team magnum would not go out of there way to state that here is another supierior bin release when in fact nothing could be further from the truth, if vs had these problems team magnum or there reps would be takeing shots at vs, my ultra blows away the magnum and magnum reps always take shots at the ultra, just go to there official site and you will see magnum members down playing how bad there new releases are, bottom line is every fta receiver has its day and today is not team magnums day, tommorow could be a different story so if you have vs and magnum there is a good chance that one of them will be working great, there are no guarentees on either receiver that they will not go down at any given time and i understand that, i just wish that when the magnum has problems that there reps would tell it like it is and not bs us and stop beating there chest when they are running great, just my opinion jd

showhorse

01-25-2007, 07:41 PM

i am so sorry i really have nothing but respect for chuck and all the mods here i have had good report with all of them and they have been nothing but helpful to me and i see where chuck was saying that i had another thread simular to the one i am on now ........but if you read this you will see under that thread i wrote another reply that the magnum is a good unit and that i think that a good bin file should take care of everything .......i was only speaking my opinion didnt mean to ridicule anyone so severly.....i only hate when someone is like you stated " slaping the chest "saying how good we are and trying to lure people to purchace what isnt right as of yet this is done by all of the fta people at some time or the other ......but it doesnt make it right and i said that i thaught the magnum will be great when they get a good bin ......not to bost what this bin corrects or adds but that this bin is correct and works perfect.............again sorry but i purchaced two of these critters and ill just put them aside until everything starts working correctly .....................again i didnt mean any harm or nothing bad to chuck but i thaught i was threatened and i dont think i needed it .......if you think i did then i must have needed it ......................again respectfuly yours

jd1122

01-25-2007, 08:04 PM

showhorse i can understand you being angry, hell i am no saint:lol: i hope the coders at magnum release bin 142 and all is good, but if not it is not the end of the world, i know you are running a vs also so just hang in there, i was not trying to dictate to you just offer my opinion, have a good one and crack open a cold one:beer: jd

satman2499

01-25-2007, 08:14 PM

Hard call. Buy either! I own both :yes: I bought the Magnum because I bought the hype. Not disappointed at all. A little extreme to setup, but the VS was a little difficult too at first. Neither win the contest for simple setup. I have seen VS be first to get fixes time after time. The 6 week blackout was bad but VS got a fix. It sounds like I prefer VS over the magnum, but it is too soon to tell. I must admit part of the reason I bought the Magnum was support. Not proven support like in the case of the VS, but the promise of a team effort and a goal of no down time.
As far as I'm concerned, I wanted to be diverse. I was hoping if one of the IRD's was down maybe one of them would be quick to get a fix. Ever heard don't put all your eggs in 1 basket.
Ya :wow: that is why I own both, I'm a worrier !!:cry:

showhorse

01-25-2007, 08:14 PM

i noticed that i have more rep points how do i find out who sent them to me
so i may thank them ?????? thanks again magic'o is a friend of mine and he will tell you that i have respect for everyone but i also must have the same ....or i should get the same in return ....thanks again your friend .........................here is the beer............................................
.........................:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: ....................................

jd1122

01-25-2007, 09:06 PM

chuck

01-26-2007, 06:43 AM

sorry chuck and everything will be ok ...............thanks for the call ..............nothing but respect to ya guy...

No problem just trying to rein you in a bit before you get into real trouble. If you noticed Manteca also called you out in the other thread. Opinions are fine just dont get carried away :beer:

refrus

01-26-2007, 10:59 AM

I agree with satman2499 - extremeview bin v141 isn't so bad and there are better bin's to come.

fta1006

01-26-2007, 11:58 AM

showhorse if i were you i would not get all bent out of shape about the magnum, and it is never a good idea to disrespect a mod here or on any site, i am as honest and straight forward as they come so i will give you my opinion of what my present take is on the magnum, they have a lot of problems with there new released bins and i feel that most people would except that if team magnum would not go out of there way to state that here is another supierior bin release when in fact nothing could be further from the truth, if vs had these problems team magnum or there reps would be takeing shots at vs, my ultra blows away the magnum and magnum reps always take shots at the ultra, just go to there official site and you will see magnum members down playing how bad there new releases are, bottom line is every fta receiver has its day and today is not team magnums day, tommorow could be a different story so if you have vs and magnum there is a good chance that one of them will be working great, there are no guarentees on either receiver that they will not go down at any given time and i understand that, i just wish that when the magnum has problems that there reps would tell it like it is and not bs us and stop beating there chest when they are running great, just my opinion jd

i beg to differ on some of your comments,the first being that magnum suporters down play any problems.not true ,they just dont inflate them!!as for viewsat and sonicview and many others they are also having issues,including freezing!why not mention that?

jd1122

01-26-2007, 05:16 PM

i beg to differ on some of your comments,the first being that magnum suporters down play any problems.not true ,they just dont inflate them!!as for viewsat and sonicview and many others they are also having issues,including freezing!why not mention that?

why not mention that, i will tell you why, i have no problems on my ultra and my viewsat extreme, hell i am still running the 061213u pgm on the ultra and i have no glitches or problems on either viewsats, also the guide on both providers is flawless, not a bad run for these pgm's wouldn't you say, as for the magnum that i have had for a month it is slow compared to either viewsat, if you go to funwithfta all you will read about is how the magnum is the best and they do downplay problems, if you notice when the magnum is running great you will see sager and just me and gruner bragging but as soon as there are problems they seem to fade into the back ground on the forums, i personally hope that the next bin magnum releases is a SUPERIOR BIN and not like the last two bins released, i can not speak for everyone that has problems on there viewsats but i try to help any members that do have problems, i am always on these forums, is that clear enough for you

DoctorNik

01-26-2007, 06:46 PM

I have not heard of, nor witnessed any freezing on the VS machines..

as far as problems with the magnum bins,, well,, everyone has problems now and then.. as long as they aren't like the Pansat group, and ignore major problems for months on end, all should be good no?

noggin

01-26-2007, 07:11 PM

i have to agree with jd my vs plat is running flawless, sure i did not load the last two bins that came out because they did not run too great from the reports i read but i did not need to because the 061213 bin is keeping me happy. I also bought a extremeview about three weeks ago and yes i'm a little disapointed but hopefully they will get it right soon, but i realized this when i bought a receiver from the new guy's on the block that had not proven themselfs yet like vs has.

peetee07

01-26-2007, 09:04 PM

why not mention that, i will tell you why, i have no problems on my ultra and my viewsat extreme, hell i am still running the 061213u pgm on the ultra and i have no glitches or problems on either viewsats, also the guide on both providers is flawless, not a bad run for these pgm's wouldn't you say, as for the magnum that i have had for a month it is slow compared to either viewsat, if you go to funwithfta all you will read about is how the magnum is the best and they do downplay problems, if you notice when the magnum is running great you will see sager and just me and gruner bragging but as soon as there are problems they seem to fade into the back ground on the forums, i personally hope that the next bin magnum releases is a SUPERIOR BIN and not like the last two bins released, i can not speak for everyone that has problems on there viewsats but i try to help any members that do have problems, i am always on these forums, is that clear enough for you

Unfortunately some newer boxes don't have the $$ to go out and buy a mapfix, so they have to figure it out on there own, and considering V141 is running, sure there are glitches but what box doesn't, i'd say there doing pretty well. Viewsat is great but unfortunatly they have no back-up if needed and in this hobby if ya don't have a back-up you're pretty much screwed. I bought a Magnum for 1 reason and 1 reason only, it had aux for dire situations (re:last summer). Given time, they will come through. I'd be nice to see Viewsat attempt the DTV thing, but maybe there out of $$ from buying a Mapfix.

setwire

01-26-2007, 10:19 PM

Unfortunately some newer boxes don't have the $$ to go out and buy a mapfix, so they have to figure it out on there own, and considering V141 is running, sure there are glitches but what box doesn't, i'd say there doing pretty well. Viewsat is great but unfortunatly they have no back-up if needed and in this hobby if ya don't have a back-up you're pretty much screwed. I bought a Magnum for 1 reason and 1 reason only, it had aux for dire situations (re:last summer). Given time, they will come through. I'd be nice to see Viewsat attempt the DTV thing, but maybe there out of $$ from buying a Mapfix.

Why should Viewsat attempt the DTV thing.
I personally think the DTV thing with the Magnum is deceptive hype.
What makes you think Magnum is going to deliver DTV on their Magnum.
They can't at present deliver Nagra 2 viewing with out video glitches and remote control freezing and a considerable number of other bugs.
My suggestion to Magnum is to fix the problems with Nagra 2 first.
Then if you want to mess around with DTV then Good Luck.
If you think Viewsat spent some $$ on purchasing Nagra 2 Map calls think about what Magnum will have to spend to ever get DTV running.
My opinion----DTV ain't going to happen-----

peetee07

01-26-2007, 11:00 PM

one2one

01-27-2007, 04:51 AM

Gee, i should go out and purchase a Viewsat considering they are flawless, never go down and never have any bugs in their pgms, it sounds like the perfect box...

Who said that? You're the one that claimed VS and some other boxes had freezing issues...CW also being one of them. My old CW600S doesn't have any freezing issues or any other problem that I notice either. Not as nice as Magnum, but works smoothly. The last two bins for Magnum were bad, and are still bad. You might get them to work good for 5-8 hours but they soon go south after that. And when testers started posting about the problems they were met with accusatory replies. It took a ton of bricks to break through that ready set "Superior" mindset. We just want a good working bin.

just-me

01-27-2007, 05:14 AM

My opinion----DTV ain't going to happen-----
Setwire, please, just sell your Magnum.
Everywhere you post, you bash the Magnum one day and praise it the next.
At least be consistent.

re: your opinion.
Are you a coder, I'd guess no.
So, please, do keep the bashing to a minimum.

Minutes ago, mikesmadd announced that V142 will be released shortly.

BTW, would you like your crow served with salt or pepper?

Can't we all just get along?

mikesmadd has explained the V140 and up are TOTAL rewrites of the code, so please take his word on it.

Team Reliable and Magnum are NOT out to screw anyone.
They do appreciate ALL feedback, good or bad, but bashing doesn't help anyone.

Thanks for letting me vent a little, Mods/Admins here!

Best regards,

j-m.

el bandido

01-27-2007, 05:59 AM

Just-me, Are you saying that Direct Tv has been compromised by ExtremeView, and if I buy an ExtremeView I will be able to see it? I am a bit confused here..

just-me

01-27-2007, 07:02 AM

Just-me, Are you saying that Direct Tv has been compromised by ExtremeView, and if I buy an ExtremeView I will be able to see it? I am a bit confused here..
V140 and V141 are BETA testing DTV bins.
c/p from Team Reliable:

Originally Posted by mikesmadd

Phase 1 enables the Magnum tuner for DTV, although no menu driven functionality has been implemented yet.

Phase 2 will enable the user to actually watch TV.

Mikesmadd
V142 is being released today, whether phase 2 has been implemented yet, I dunno.

For those that just want to play around, aim at DTV 101W with a single LNB.
Plug in you DTV tuner and check for good signal.

Unplug DTV tuner and plug in Magnum (reminder, always good idea to power down totally, before disconnecting/reconnecting any Audio/Video equipment, good habit to get into).

Select and restore "Northern Provider 1" from database.

Note that "Northern Provider 1" has same # of transponders and frequency/polarity settings as DTV at 101W slot.
Notice signal and quality are there, but are in red right now.
Hopefully soon we'll see signal and quality in green!

Happy testing and be prepared!

DirecTV 1R:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++
TP# FREQ POL FEC BEAMTYPE

TP1: 12224 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP2: 12239 H 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP3: 12253 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP4: 12268 H 20000 6/7 SPOT
TP5: 12282 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP6: 12297 H 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP7: 12311 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP8: 12326 H 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP9: 12341 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP10: 12355 H 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP11: 12370 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP12: 12384 H 20000 6/7 SPOT
TP13: 12399 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP14: 13414 H 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP15: 12428 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP16: 12443 H 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP17: 12457 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP18: 12472 H 20000 6/7 SPOT
TP19: 12486 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP20: 12501 H 20000 6/7 SPOT
TP21: 12516 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP22: 12530 H 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP23: 12545 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP24: 12559 H 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP25: 12574 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP26: 12588 H 20000 6/7 SPOT
TP27: 12603 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP28: 12618 H 20000 6/7 SPOT
TP29: 12632 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP30: 12647 H 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP31: 12661 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP32: 12676 H 20000 6/7 CONUS

stowie

01-27-2007, 07:22 AM

Hi Guy,s. I hope this site never turns into some of these other sites BASSING all the GUY,S AND GAL,S That work so hard to help other member.s

setwire

01-27-2007, 11:05 AM

Setwire, please, just sell your Magnum.
Everywhere you post, you bash the Magnum one day and praise it the next.
At least be consistent.

re: your opinion.
Are you a coder, I'd guess no.
So, please, do keep the bashing to a minimum.

Minutes ago, mikesmadd announced that V142 will be released shortly.

BTW, would you like your crow served with salt or pepper?

Can't we all just get along?

mikesmadd has explained the V140 and up are TOTAL rewrites of the code, so please take his word on it.

Team Reliable and Magnum are NOT out to screw anyone.
They do appreciate ALL feedback, good or bad, but bashing doesn't help anyone.

Thanks for letting me vent a little, Mods/Admins here!

Best regards,

j-m.

I am not going to vent here nor bash Magnum receiver.

Here is how I read the current situation.

Magnum coders are obviously messing with a way to get DTV signal.
Getting the signal and decrypting the signal are 2 different things.

In there experimenting with DTV in the latest 2 bins they have made the Nagra 2 bin almost unuseable.

Looking foreword to the 142 bin to see if some of the many bugs that were created in the 140 and 141 bin for Nagra2 providers are fixed.

Hey Magnum------ exreiment as much as you want with DTV.
I wish you the best of luck-----------.

In the meantime get the Nagra 2 portions of your bin working properly.

That would make me very happy.

Cheers
Rob

DoctorNik

01-27-2007, 11:20 AM

I'm sorry, what magnum is failing to say,,
some fta IRD tuners are capable of 'receiving' DTV signal,, the magnum extremeview is not the only one,, VS has a couple capable of that as well,, and some other brands too)
that DOES NOT mean that dtv is decrypted in any way shape or form.. it just means that the tuner can see the signal,, much like a dtv or dn ird with an unauthorized card... big deal... some breakthrough...

and again,,
with the LOCATION of the people involved with magnum,, the most STUPIDEST thing they can do is to start bragging about DTV reception/decryption.

so.. I hope everyone that has bought a magnum used something other than paypal, used false name and address as well..

I forsee a whole new run on dealers,, especially those reselling magnums..

remember dtv's actions ?? it didn't matter that what you got was perfectly legal, it only mattered where you got it. That, combined with admissions of "I'm watching freetv" will be all they need to start writing letters...

if we don't learn from our mistakes, we're doomed to make those same mistakes over and over again..

it's started..

jd1122

01-27-2007, 11:26 AM

Gee, i should go out and purchase a Viewsat considering they are flawless, never go down and never have any bugs in their pgms, it sounds like the perfect box, it's so perfect it didn't run for 2 months.....i know mine did ,sure with an aux but hey at least i had the option. Anyways, not in the mood for peeing contest and opinions will vary on different boxes, that will never change. Had all the viewsats once upon a time but menus and epgs look like Fisher Price..that's my opinion. Regarding the DTV thing we shall wait and see, they've certainly attempted to raise the bar, will it be lifted or dropped to the floor, only time will tell, but with Mex Sky being hacked the possibilities are always there.

nobody ever said viewsat never goes down, but they were the one to pay the big bucks and obtain a fix when all boxes went down for the two months, as for the comment about the epg looking like a fisher price menu, the ultra has a great menu[you wouldn't know] and i would rather look at a fisher price working menu then the crystal clear useless menu on the magnum:lol: , and as for the dtv fix from magnum i would agree with setwire, how about getting n2 working first without any glitches before moveing on to dtv, when the 138 bin was released for magnum it worked great so i think what most magnum owners want is for the 142 bin to do the same, i will be the first to admit that i bought the magnum because of it's picture quality and i hope team magnum gets it right on the next bin

Grüner Elefant

01-27-2007, 06:31 PM

nobody ever said viewsat never goes down, but they were the one to pay the big bucks and obtain a fix when all boxes went down for the two months, as for the comment about the epg looking like a fisher price menu, the ultra has a great menu[you wouldn't know] and i would rather look at a fisher price working menu then the crystal clear useless menu on the magnum:lol: , and as for the dtv fix from magnum i would agree with setwire, how about getting n2 working first without any glitches before moveing on to dtv, when the 138 bin was released for magnum it worked great so i think what most magnum owners want is for the 142 bin to do the same, i will be the first to admit that i bought the magnum because of it's picture quality and i hope team magnum gets it right on the next bin

Please explain!

I'm all happy, having FUN with my Magnum!:hat:

jd1122

01-28-2007, 10:19 AM

Please explain!

I'm all happy, having FUN with my Magnum!:hat:

gruner what i mean is that when switching providers and hitting the epg there is no info, when i hit the find button the box locks up and has to be rebooted, this makes the guide useless, i have tried all different settings for epg, 1 day etc and still the same results, also the channel commands on the remote are very slow, almost to the point of locking, hope this explains what i mean, i know you stated you are not on the other provider but sureley you have seen all the problems everyone is haveing on that provider, i hope the 142 bin fixes all problems so time will tell

setwire

01-28-2007, 10:22 AM

Please explain!

I'm all happy, having FUN with my Magnum!:hat:

Grunner
Can you please explain--------

------"I'm all happy, having FUN with my Magnum "---------

How can anybody be all happy and having FUN with their Magnum at present with all the major problems in the latest bins???

Perhaps you should seriously think about changing your signature here until a working bin for the Magnum is released.

BTW I believe jd1122 in his post was referring to the fact that the Magnum freezes up constantly when trying to use the EPG.
It does the same on my unit as well.

DoctorNik

01-28-2007, 10:24 AM

Please explain!

I'm all happy, having FUN with my Magnum!:hat:

it was crystal clear to me...

but, then,, I tend to read what's going on.. :huh: :unsure: <_< ;)

Grüner Elefant

01-28-2007, 10:59 AM

Grunner
Can you please explain--------

------"I'm all happy, having FUN with my Magnum "---------

How can anybody be all happy and having FUN with their Magnum at present with all the major problems in the latest bins???

Perhaps you should seriously think about changing your signature here until a working bin for the Magnum is released.

BTW I believe jd1122 in his post was referring to the fact that the Magnum freezes up constantly when trying to use the EPG.
It does the same on my unit as well.

Explanation:
I am 100% happy with my Magnum and I am having FUN using it the way I want to use it!

:hat:

Grüner Elefant

01-28-2007, 11:03 AM

it was crystal clear to me...

but, then,, I tend to read what's going on.. :huh: :unsure: <_< ;)

I don't have a crystal ball and can't read peoples minds - so his explanation was needed.

Still 100% happy and having FUN with my Magnum!

:hat:

jd1122

01-28-2007, 11:03 AM

Explanation:
I am 100% happy with my Magnum and I am having FUN using it the way I want to use it!

:hat:

well you must be the only one that is useing your magnum the way you want to, all other magnum owners want a true working bin that is glitch free, thats the reason we all bought one, if this situation was reversed and viewsat was releaseing bad pgm files i am sure you would post a different opinion, matter of fact i recall when viewsat released a pgm that went down the next day and you and other members on funwithfta jumped all over it, vs fixed it on the next pgm, so why is it acceptable to you that your magnum is fine just the way it is, are you out of your mind

jd1122

01-28-2007, 11:12 AM

I don't have a crystal ball and can't read peoples minds - so his explanation was needed.

Still 100% happy and having FUN with my Magnum!

:hat:

you do not need a cyrstal ball, all you have to do is read about the problems with the last 2 bins to know what i meant, it seems like you only hear what you want , i love when some of your puppets from the other site come here and say if you just take it easy on the remote all is good, talk about sugar coating the truth, get real

Grüner Elefant

01-28-2007, 11:21 AM

you do not need a cyrstal ball, all you have to do is read about the problems with the last 2 bins to know what i meant, it seems like you only hear what you want , i love when some of your puppets from the other site come here and say if you just take it easy on the remote all is good, talk about sugar coating the truth, get real

Is this not bashing ?

100% happy and having FUN watching TV with my Magnum!:hat:

Grüner Elefant

01-28-2007, 11:26 AM

well you must be the only one that is useing your magnum the way you want to, all other magnum owners want a true working bin that is glitch free, thats the reason we all bought one, if this situation was reversed and viewsat was releaseing bad pgm files i am sure you would post a different opinion, matter of fact i recall when viewsat released a pgm that went down the next day and you and other members on funwithfta jumped all over it, vs fixed it on the next pgm, so why is it acceptable to you that your magnum is fine just the way it is, are you out of your mind

I may be the only one, who knows?
I can't speak for others and I don't,
but I am 100% happy and having FUN watching TV with my Magnum and V1.41!
:hat:

setwire

01-28-2007, 11:43 AM

I may be the only one, who knows?
I can't speak for others and I don't,
but I am 100% happy and having FUN watching TV with my Magnum and V1.41!
:hat:
Well sounds to me like you must be the only one that is 100% happy with your Magnum and bin v141.
Everyone else is having problems.

100% Happy and having FUN watching TV with my Viewsat Extreme and their latest bin.

Grüner Elefant

01-28-2007, 11:56 AM

Well sounds to me like you must be the only one that is 100% happy with your Magnum and bin v141.
Everyone else is having problems.

100% Happy and having FUN watching TV with my Viewsat Extreme and their latest bin.

Please explain - how do you know that everyone else is having problems??

I am 100% happy and having lots of FUN watching TV with bin V.1.41 in my Magnum!:hat:

DoctorNik

01-28-2007, 01:03 PM

again grunter..

all one has to do is read..
not just here.
but various other boards

EVERYONE (except you) is calling foul with the last two bins..

everyone is 'trying' to give magnum a fair shake,, chit happens,,
BUT it gets real tiresome when you have some magnum talkin heads spout BS about we do it right, not right away,, then the next one says, remember, they are beta,, (there was nothing to remember,, because it was never said in the first place,, because th first talkin head said it was done right..), then you have some saying,, change channels slowly,, then some say, don't use the 9 day egp (what's the use of having it then), all the while, you say there's nothing wrong with the bin at all..

now tell me.. (all this crap was gathered from just dsstester,, and I won't go near the DTV BS here),, how come we have 3 or 4 magnum talking heads,,
and NONE OF YOU CAN AGREE on the status of a bin??

and YOU are the worst, because you are in essence calling everyone that has a problem sith 1.040 and 1.41 a liar, even calling mikesmadd a liar because even HE acknowledges the problems...

so.. who do we believe,, but more to the point,, with all the duckin, hiding and lying by the magnum heads,, WHY should we now believe ANYTHING that comes forth

You people would be best 'do lunch' somewhere,, and get your stories strait,, (hopefully with a hint of truth),, and present as a united front.. before you lose ALL credibility,, (and there isn't a whole lot left),,,

Grüner Elefant

01-28-2007, 01:09 PM

tooskinny

01-28-2007, 01:15 PM

I have tried both new bins with not good results from what some people called the best coders around. Don't get me wrong my Magnum is great using the 138 bin just for DN, but to say that the new bins are working great is not true. I look forward to the next bin release to have my Magnum running with both providers flawlessly.

picaninnyfreeze

01-28-2007, 01:46 PM

bitch bitch bitch! why are there so many people bitching ,its fre^ tv , i'll say it again, free tv.so please sit back have a cold one and chill.and yes i am not happy w/ the bins but i guess we all have to wait,i am no coder so i really do not know what they are up against.

setwire

01-28-2007, 01:55 PM

jd1122

01-28-2007, 02:08 PM

bitch bitch bitch! why are there so many people bitching ,its free tv , i'll say it again, free tv.so please sit back have a cold one and chill.

we bitch because you take someone like gruner who is a mod over at funwithfta and he comes here and trys to down play the problems with magnum on there last two releases, he can do what he wants at his site because on that site the magnum can do no wrong, but he has no right to come to this site and disrespect people that are stateing the problems on the magnum, if you look in the thread that manteca started asking for feedback on the 141 bin you will find that no one has bashed magnum just reported problems with the bin, gruner is basically saying that all of us that are haveing problems are wrong and he is 100 percent happy with the way things are on the new bin, if this is the attitude that magnum reps are going to take then maybe it's time to stop buying magnums, if you recall the great wireless adapter they were promoteing you will notice that the results were less then great, in my opinion they are trying to compete with the viewsat ultra and usb flash and they did not even come close with there new product, i bought a magnum because it was supposed to have great support and we were all told that they never release bins early because they do it right, why should we not bitch when gruner keeps stateing over and over that he has no problems and can anyone prove that there are problems with the new bin, basically he is calling us liars, so i do not know how you respond when you are called a liar but i prefer to respond with the truth, if you consider that bitching then so be it, maybe if gruner would just say that he agrees that there are problems and magnum will do there best to resolve it on the next bin then there would be a lot less bitching don't you think

Ftaplaya

01-28-2007, 02:17 PM

It seems there is still a set 3 or 4 here that are very unhappy and will be no matter what. As far as advertising, all you have o do is look to the top of the forum to see the worlds top fta is extreamview magnum, so are you telling the site admins that they should not advertise either???

Guys we all know there is problems with 140 and 141 with respect to freezing and a fwe others, we have been told 142 will be out shorty.

Putting down the magnum and the funwithfta mods will not get it done any faster, but if it makes you feel better than by all means have a blast.

There is tons of happy people running 138 with aux, and there is another ton with actual patience.

Here is a c and p from fun from another tester
have many other stb's
i know for a fact that viewsat,sonicview,coolsat and cw are all having freezing problems!!!!!!!!!!just an fyi,it doesnt help much by you and some others going from forum to forum picking on the magnum and neglecting to mention most if not all are having same problems.it seems that you make a point of picking on the magnum.
end of rant.......for now.

Everyone had their own little problems, but it seem the group of 3 or 4 here are dead set against maggie and love their viewsats, It's ok to like one better than the other, but do you really need 100 posts saying one sucks.

Gotta say this is the schoolyard mine is better than your kinda stuff.
We should all be adults here

picaninnyfreeze

01-28-2007, 02:27 PM

we bitch because you take someone like gruner who is a mod over at funwithfta and he comes here and trys to down play the problems with magnum on there last two releases, he can do what he wants at his site because on that site the magnum can do no wrong, but he has no right to come to this site and disrespect people that are stateing the problems on the magnum, if you look in the thread that manteca started asking for feedback on the 141 bin you will find that no one has bashed magnum just reported problems with the bin, gruner is basically saying that all of us that are haveing problems are wrong and he is 100 percent happy with the way things are on the new bin, if this is the attitude that magnum reps are going to take then maybe it's time to stop buying magnums, if you recall the great wireless adapter they were promoteing you will notice that the results were less then great, in my opinion they are trying to compete with the viewsat ultra and usb flash and they did not even come close with there new product, i bought a magnum because it was supposed to have great support and we were all told that they never release bins early because they do it right, why should we not bitch when gruner keeps stateing over and over that he has no problems and can anyone prove that there are problems with the new bin, basically he is calling us liars, so i do not know how you respond when you are called a liar but i prefer to respond with the truth, if you consider that bitching then so be it, maybe if gruner would just say that he agrees that there are problems and magnum will do there best to resolve it on the next bin then there would be a lot less bitching don't you think

i see said the blind man .thank you....

jd1122

01-28-2007, 02:32 PM

It seems there is still a set 3 or 4 here that are very unhappy and will be no matter what. As far as advertising, all you have o do is look to the top of the forum to see the worlds top fta is extreamview magnum, so are you telling the site admins that they should not advertise either???

Guys we all know there is problems with 140 and 141 with respect to freezing and a fwe others, we have been told 142 will be out shorty.

Putting down the magnum and the funwithfta mods will not get it done any faster, but if it makes you feel better than by all means have a blast.

There is tons of happy people running 138 with aux, and there is another ton with actual patience.

Here is a c and p from fun from another tester

Everyone had their own little problems, but it seem the group of 3 or 4 here are dead set against maggie and love their viewsats, It's ok to like one better than the other, but do you really need 100 posts saying one sucks.

Gotta say this is the schoolyard mine is better than your kinda stuff.
We should all be adults here

maybe we are the 3 or 4 that are looking at our viewsats that have no problems, running viewsat extreme and viewsat ultra and am 100 percent happy, haveing fun with my viewsats:lol: btw anyone seen sager around lateley

Grüner Elefant

01-28-2007, 02:52 PM

Gruner
Every post you post here has this as your signature.

"I'm 100% happy and having FUN watching TV with bin. V.1.41 in my Magnum!
Every day is a FUN day for ME with MY Magnum!"

Not only can it be stated that this is perhaps SUBTLE ADVERTISING for Magnum it could also be interpreted as FALSE ADVERTISING considering you seem to be the only one that has a Magnum receiver with v141 bin that is FUN to watch on both Nagra2 providers.

You are implying there is NO PROBLEMS with the Magnum and v141 bin.

How far do you think I would get on the FUN site if my signature read----
"100% percent Happy and having FUN watching TV with my Viewsat Extreme with latest Extreme bin"

Let me know, and if it is not going to be a problem I will start using that as my new signature.

Nowhere do I say there are no problems with the bin/s - repeat: nowhere!
All I'm saying is that I - repeat I am 100% happy, having FUN and watching TV with my Magnum loaded with bin V.1.41 !!!! Get it?? - I'm HAPPY!:hat:

As far as having the above in my signature - don't have a "signature" - all I'm doing is telling you and others that I'm happy - am I not allowed to say I'm happy, you certainly tell everyone you are not happy and a few days ago your Magnum was for sale, I offered to buy it - even pick it up and pay cash. Now you want to keep it and last week you even wanted to buy another that was for sale - I / we don't get it with you.........
As far as having my "signature" in this thread and others - well it is a ExtremeView Magnum Thread in a ExtremeView Magnum XV3300 Section on this site and we are supposed to let people know what our "testing" does... do you mind my testing being positive ?? Is that not allowed
?? Should we all be unhappy about Magnum just because you and your 2-3 buddies here are so unhappy??
As far as you asking about "advertising" you ViewSat or whatever - would not be allowed - that site is a site exclusively for ExtremeView!!
By the way you can't post anything there anymore - you have been banned for the 3rd time - this time permanently!

Having more and more FUN with my Magnum every day!:hat:

PS: Don't think ViewSat has an Extreme - I believe it's called Xtreme - if you have one you should know!:hat:

Grüner Elefant

01-28-2007, 03:03 PM

jd1122

01-28-2007, 03:04 PM

Please explain - how do you know that everyone else is having problems??

I am 100% happy and having lots of FUN watching TV with bin V.1.41 in my Magnum!:hat:

no what you say is how do we know that others are having problems, we are running magnums and telling you that, if we go by what you keep repeating[you are 100 percent happy running the 141 bin] then i guess there is no need for a new bin, you are just trying to inflame others with your attitude, i hope magnum gets it right on the next bin so that the problems that WE SEE can be fixed and sorry to all members that i spelled xtreme wrong, gruner your true colors are shining

Grüner Elefant

01-28-2007, 03:19 PM

no what you say is how do we know that others are having problems, we are running magnums and telling you that, if we go by what you keep repeating[you are 100 percent happy running the 141 bin] then i guess there is no need for a new bin, you are just trying to inflame others with your attitude, i hope magnum gets it right on the next bin so that the problems that WE SEE can be fixed

So you are twisting words around now again--
I have not said that some people don't have problems!!
So give that up - please!
I have to repeat - because you don't listen or seem to understand (hm; wonder why........?) - that I'm - (does not mean you, your neighbour or your friends or anyone else for that matter) - 100% happy and having FUN (and all the other stuff) with my Magnum!:hat:
Sure, I too hope the coders get it fixed in the next bin so that you and setwire and who was the other guy/s will be all happy and can have FUN with your Magnum/s!:hat:

jd1122

01-28-2007, 03:25 PM

So you are twisting words around now again--
I have not said that some people don't have problems!!
So give that up - please!
I have to repeat - because you don't listen or seem to understand (hm; wonder why........?) - that I'm - (does not mean you, your neighbour or your friends or anyone else for that matter) - 100% happy and having FUN (and all the other stuff) with my Magnum!:hat:
Sure, I too hope the coders get it fixed in the next bin so that you and setwire and who was the other guy/s will be all happy and can have FUN with your Magnum/s!:hat:

how about a honest straight forward answer gruner, in your opinion what percentage of people running magnums are having problems with the last two bins, is it just a small percentage or is it most people, feel free to use feedback from your own site to answer this

Ftaplaya

01-28-2007, 03:30 PM

I beleive it has been answered here there and everywhere by mikesmad himself that there is issues with the bin's 140 and 141 and that they are working on a new one. You have heard it before but for some reason need to hear it again. This don't need to get into a pissing match, it has been stated many times in this thread and others that there is freezing issues and that they are working on it.
If gruner is having fun with 110 and no problems, let him be. If you are not than fine also, your voice has been heard and thanked for bringing up the issues.

If it was missed here than here is a copy and paste from mikesmad himselfWe are very much aware of the issue...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

FTAers,

We are very much aware of the issues with V141. The problem is a fight for processing priority between the complex math of MAP57 and the text filter that populates the EPG. We are currently testing V142 and will release it soon. As for the factory default questions... the reason for requiring it in the upgrade from V138 to V140-V141 is based on the fact that V138 was released on 11-29-06 (Nearly 2 Months ago). During those 2 months massive changes have taken place in the satellite stream which effected the way the Maggie dealt with transponders, EMMs, ECMs and EPG processing. In V142 we have completely redesigned the database in such a way that a factory reset will never be required again. Thanks for cutting us some slack while we resolve these miner issues and of course you can rest assured that we will always strive to give you our best work.

Thanks for your support,
Mikesmadd

In V142 we are adding Bev Provider ID 0906 so that you will be able to enter those Playboy keys in the correct spot.

Mikesmadd

Grüner Elefant

01-28-2007, 03:32 PM

how about a honest straight forward answer gruner, in your opinion what percentage of people running magnums are having problems with the last two bins, is it just a small percentage or is it most people, feel free to use feedback from your own site to answer this
You have to define what kind of problems (importance) that is, you should also remember that those who are happy usually just watch TV and don't come to any site until next time they have a problem - again what is a problem or when is a problem big or serious enough to complain about. I do of course understand that there are some people out there honestly believing that as they have spent $100 - $ 200 on a box they should have FREE TV without the slightest hint of a problem or hick up or down time or whatever - do these people count !?

(as before) :hat:

Raider51

01-28-2007, 03:34 PM

First off, I would like to say that I have been trying to distance myself from this situation with the Magnum, and this will be my last statement concerning it. The very beginning of this thread was the beginning of it. The following in my opinion is why folks have become skeptical of what they are hearing and being told
C/P

“Just to update everyone,
Currently the Viewsat's autoroll is not working, Nor is the football on that canadian system
The ExtremeView Magnum is working on these. (I believe it is the ONLY unit working with football)
The Magnum has also recently added new features such search in the epg, 7 day guide in the epg, autotransponder, adaptive autoroll, meaning it remembers old changes, as well as many other smaller enhancments
All this with their outstanding hardware specs, and lower price makes the ExtremeView This makes the Magnum a MUCH better choice.”

Sager (End C/P)

Viewsat’s autoroll was working and there wasn’t nor is there now a fix for Football. Coolsat is the only one that can lay claim to that. We all pointed out that some claims were false.
Let’s jump forward to 140 and 141 releases.

C/P

ExtremeView Magnum Users

We are proud to announce the next phase in fta evolution.

Once again the Magnum Team and Team Reliable have pulled off a major upset in the fta community.

Providing yet another host of features and enhancements as well as fixes for the ExtremeView FTA box. We will always release files that are done RIGHT not right away.

*** A Factory default is required prior to loading this bin. ***
*** A Satellite Restore and Channel Sat Scan is required after Loading this bin. ***

Team Reliable and Team Magnum present Bin version 140

Features and Improvements.

-------------------------------------------
* DTV Phase I (DTV/DSS integration)
* 9 Day EPG Ready
* Current MAP57 ECM Fix
* Full MAPROM Integration
* Numerous System Speed Increases and OSD Enhancements
* No VIDEO or AUDIO Dropout while paging up and down in guide.
* Full AUTO-TP for Current Transponders
* Faster NAGRA2 Key Autoroll
* Faster EPG Population
* GlobeCast Key Ready
* Processor Speed Now at 250mhz
* Enhanced Video and Audio Quality via Producer Video Filter and Onboard Audio Equalization
* Enhanced SAT Blind/Channel Scan Feature
* Built-In Key and EMM logging Via Serial Port through XDown or Hyperterminal
* Favorites Menu Hang-On-Exit fixed.
* Full 7Day Electronic Programming Guide in Stand-By
* Search EPG fixed to remove duplicate responses.
* Echostar 5 added to sat list and full EPG population.
* OSD now Double buffered to prevent Audio dropout and box freezes.
* Partially implemented Parental control based on rating.
* Enhanced Closed-Captioning
* All Games Removed.
-------------------------------------------

Expect more enhancements and Improvments from Team Magnum and Team Reliable. We Thank our great supporters.

Yours Truly, Magman (END C/P)

Multiple issues and problems. We were all told we didn’t load the bin correctly or followed the proper procedure. Everything from loading a different Factory File to changing EPG, time and various other things for it to work right. Guess what happens next. Yea! 141 released a day later.
C/P

ExtremeView Magnum users,

We are listening to you Magnum users and wanted to be quick to respond to your requests.

Once again the Magnum Team and Team Reliable are providing yet another superior bin with more features and enhancements.

01-23-07
Bin version 141

Added Features and Improvements to File V140.

-------------------------------------------
* DTV Phase I (DTV/DSS Driver Integration)
* Video Jitter/Freeze Fixed
* Sluggish Remote Fixed
* LCD/Menu Displayed Text Updated
* New Feature - Menu - System Setting - Additional Options - Front Display Mode - TIME
This exciting new time feature forces your Magnum to always display the time on the Front Panel LCD.
-------------------------------------------

Expect more enhancements and Improvements from Team Magnum and Team Reliable. Thank you for choosing Magnum.

(END C/P)

Take notice. No problems with 140! Hmm! Wonder why they fixed video jitters/freezes and sluggish remotes. Guess what now we have problems with 141, again it is you didn’t load properly you didn’t, blah, blah, blah. You guessed it, the next response is this!C/P)

We are very much aware of the issue...
FTAers,

We are very much aware of the issues with V141. The problem is a fight for processing priority between the complex math of MAP57 and the text filter that populates the EPG. We are currently testing V142 and will release it soon. As for the factory default questions... the reason for requiring it in the upgrade from V138 to V140-V141 is based on the fact that V138 was released on 11-29-06 (Nearly 2 Months ago). During those 2 months massive changes have taken place in the satellite stream which effected the way the Maggie dealt with transponders, EMMs, ECMs and EPG processing. In V142 we have completely redesigned the database in such a way that a factory reset will never be required again. Thanks for cutting us some slack while we resolve these miner issues and of course you can rest assured that we will always strive to give you our best work.

Thanks for your support,
Mikesmadd

(END C/P)

I guess the coders weren’t aware, that all they had to do was follow the directions and it would work fine. They are doing a complete rewrite and redesigning the database. Gee! All you really have to do is load this factory bin and set the clock.

Now what really frost the cake is thisC/P

Setwire, please, just sell your Magnum.
Everywhere you post, you bash the Magnum one day and praise it the next.
At least be consistent.

re: your opinion.
Are you a coder, I'd guess no.
So, please, do keep the bashing to a minimum.

Minutes ago, mikesmadd announced that V142 will be released shortly.

BTW, would you like your crow served with salt or pepper?

Can't we all just get along?

mikesmadd has explained the V140 and up are TOTAL rewrites of the code, so please take his word on it.

Team Reliable and Magnum are NOT out to screw anyone.
They do appreciate ALL feedback, good or bad, but bashing doesn't help anyone.

Thanks for letting me vent a little, Mods/Admins here!

Best regards, just-me

V140 and V141 are BETA testing DTV bins.c/p from Team Reliable:
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikesmadd

Phase 1 enables the Magnum tuner for DTV, although no menu driven functionality has been implemented yet.

Phase 2 will enable the user to actually watch TV.

Mikesmadd
V142 is being released today, whether phase 2 has been implemented yet, I dunno.

For those that just want to play around, aim at DTV 101W with a single LNB.
Plug in you DTV tuner and check for good signal.

Unplug DTV tuner and plug in Magnum (reminder, always good idea to power down totally, before disconnecting/reconnecting any Audio/Video equipment, good habit to get into).

Select and restore "Northern Provider 1" from database.

Note that "Northern Provider 1" has same # of transponders and frequency/polarity settings as DTV at 101W slot.
Notice signal and quality are there, but are in red right now.
Hopefully soon we'll see signal and quality in green!

Happy testing and be prepared!

(END TWO C/P)

OK! 142 was to be released YESTERDAY. Did any one tell the coders. Of course no one is saying anything about that statement.

Just-me, I have total respect for you, but that statement made to setwire does not sit well with me. HOW DO YOU WANT YOUR CROW SERVED. Where’s the file? I guess he can’t eat it if he doesn’t have it.

This is what nobody GETS. Everytime you guys open your mouths it has come back to bite you in the behind. I have a dozen more and I’m not wasting any more time on this issue.

I will try the 142 when it comes out and I will enjoy the benefits of a hard working coding teams efforts. Until then why doesn’t everyone keep their mouths shut and let the file do the talking. This premature ejaculation of how great everything is has got to stop. I’ll be the first to recognize and claim how great something is AFTER, I have tried it.

I’m sorry that I ranted this long, but I for one have heard enough.

setwire

01-28-2007, 03:38 PM

It seems there is still a set 3 or 4 here that are very unhappy and will be no matter what. As far as advertising, all you have o do is look to the top of the forum to see the worlds top fta is extreamview magnum, so are you telling the site admins that they should not advertise either???

Guys we all know there is problems with 140 and 141 with respect to freezing and a fwe others, we have been told 142 will be out shorty.

Putting down the magnum and the funwithfta mods will not get it done any faster, but if it makes you feel better than by all means have a blast.

There is tons of happy people running 138 with aux, and there is another ton with actual patience.

Here is a c and p from fun from another tester

Everyone had their own little problems, but it seem the group of 3 or 4 here are dead set against maggie and love their viewsats, It's ok to like one better than the other, but do you really need 100 posts saying one sucks.

Gotta say this is the schoolyard mine is better than your kinda stuff.
We should all be adults here

Most of us are adults here.----We post the truth.
It is the juvenile reps from the FUN site you should be lectureing about being adults.
You Magnum people just don't seem to get it.

Grüner Elefant

01-28-2007, 03:44 PM

jd1122

01-28-2007, 03:45 PM

You have to define what kind of problems (importance) that is, you should also remember that those who are happy usually just watch TV and don't come to any site until next time they have a problem - again what is a problem or when is a problem big or serious enough to complain about. I do of course understand that there are some people out there honestly believing that as they have spent $100 - $ 200 on a box they should have FREE TV without the slightest hint of a problem or hick up or down time or whatever - do these people count !?

(as before) :hat:

i think raider summed it up pretty well, and gruner if you take the time and notice i spend most of my time here trying to help as many members on this site as i can, i look forward to the 142 bin and i am sure that team magnum will get it right, heres hopeing for the best

setwire

01-28-2007, 03:48 PM

peetee07

01-28-2007, 03:51 PM

Oh man, this is getting stupid. For the record Gruner has said He's happy with his magnum, as far as i'm concerned that is an opinion, HIS
opinion ,he's not talking for every Magnum owner out there if HE'S happy with it then that's all that matters. It's like saying i like my FORD, is it advertising for FORD??/ NO i'm stating my opinion. You all act like a playground in 2nd grade. Go into the forums anywhere on any site, someone is having problems with there unit, i don't care what brand you have. The last 2 Bins have been problematic, a work in progress if you will, but you get TV with it that's all that matters and until anyone can code there own units you are pretty much at the support and mercy of any mfg. They all pretty much have support otherwise we wouldn't be getting ANY Bins. They have been updating them so i consider it great support, if ya end up like the Pansat a while back (nowhere to be seen) then you have crap support. If everyone can take 5 and chill and allow proper time to fix bugs it will all be fixed. This forum is sounding like the Viewsat Forum over the 2 month of black screen, bitching, crying and screeming. At least it works, that's the important part isn't it???? Grow up people.....honestly, we are a community not people just having fun pointing fingers and saying who's better. ENOUGH PLEASE!!!! Oh yes and Setwire your negativity hinders all sites, including this one, they even decided to let bygones be bygones and you still have to throw your useless 2 cents in there with the wireless. You are not an asset to any community.

chuck

01-28-2007, 03:54 PM

DoctorNik

01-28-2007, 04:38 PM

thank you raider and chuck, excellent posts,, wish I could have done as well.
setwire,, well,, I agree with you,,
peepee (or whatever it is),, be careful, or you may find yourself in the dog house. setwire is a very respected member here, he's not a talkin head for some company, and he's a good if not great help to people at many sites. You overstep your boundaries by calling down someone who, maybe is a touch callous, but truthful none the less.
Yes, it's true that Gruner (hah, I spelled it correct) has HIS opinion,, BUT.. that opinion is very tempered by who he is (mod at the magnum support site),, and it's easy to see that he does goad others on, like that post where he asks "
- again what is a problem or when is a problem big or serious enough to complain about. I do of course understand that there are some people out there honestly believing that as they have spent $100 - $ 200 on a box they should have FREE TV without the slightest hint of a problem or hick up or down time or whatever - do these people count !?"

okay,, where do i begin with this one,, YOUR SUPPORT TEAM is promising the moon, which in turn PROMOTES sales. Your moon has been missed a couple of times. I would say the one moon missed would the seemingly (you) ignoring those that say that the guide glitches, locks up, to the point that the system needs a reboot,, (that is a problem),, or.. the freezing is so bad as to make a [provider virtually unwatchable (THAT is a problem),, NOW you come out and something like your CUSTOMERS who PURCHASED BECAUSE OR YOUR SITES/TEAMS/CODERS sky high promises, shouldn't expect freetv...
you take the cake.. and the THE WORST representative of ANY fta IRD bar BL and the pansat fiascos.

You continue to bury you precious boxes with every post you make here.
Thing is,, people are giving magnum a second and third chance willingly,, but you appear to continue to spit in their faces..

the 3 or 4 people who would never be satisfied,, well, I'd say that number is growing pretty fast of late.

Once again,, the back patting and chest thumping has come back to bite you in the backend,,

maybe my new sig will be

I TOLD YA SO!

now,, are the people behind magnum ummm...
answer is NO.. they are essentially good, well meaning people, that desparately need to take some marketing and customer relations courses. This unit has much potential, the coders seem very competent, but their 'team' needs to get on the same page,, FAST.. before it's too late..

nuff said

Ftaplaya

01-28-2007, 04:42 PM

Lots of good and correct information posted in this thread. I have two magnums running fine with minor barely noticeable glitches using the 141 bin but I am only watching Dish.

The problem most of the Magnum users here in this thread have is the way the reps and FWFTA Mods pat their backs and post statements that turn out to not be correct. The latest is the promise of a new bin being out yesterday.

What they should be doing is helping with anyones problems if possible and NOT forecasting what is to come as it has recently come back to bite them in the ass on more than on occasion.

They need to sit back and wait with the rest of us for anything new and not "predict" when it will be here.

Their primary role should be a helping one not one filled with empty promises. They are hurting the Magnums image more than they are helping it.

My opinions only.

Looking forward to the next bin whether it is "perfect" or not :beer:

Sorry I am a mod at fwfta and I am pretty sure not in any post here did i try to fill someone with empty promises, I passed on the info as posted by mikesmad and that is it. I also stepped in to say there is no need for 2 people to get into a pising match because one likes viewsat and one likes magnums.
I think for the sake of all this thread be just closed. I came to this site to help support the magnum, ended up helping out a few others with other problems and found myself to really like this place. its stuff like this that kinda makes it unfun.

Guys sit back, enjoy what ya got and lets see what the future brings

chuck

01-28-2007, 05:11 PM

V140 and V141 are BETA testing DTV bins.
c/p from Team Reliable:

V142 is being released today, whether phase 2 has been implemented yet, I dunno.

For those that just want to play around, aim at DTV 101W with a single LNB.
Plug in you DTV tuner and check for good signal.

Unplug DTV tuner and plug in Magnum (reminder, always good idea to power down totally, before disconnecting/reconnecting any Audio/Video equipment, good habit to get into).

Select and restore "Northern Provider 1" from database.

Note that "Northern Provider 1" has same # of transponders and frequency/polarity settings as DTV at 101W slot.
Notice signal and quality are there, but are in red right now.
Hopefully soon we'll see signal and quality in green!

Happy testing and be prepared!

DirecTV 1R:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++
TP# FREQ POL FEC BEAMTYPE

TP1: 12224 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP2: 12239 H 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP3: 12253 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP4: 12268 H 20000 6/7 SPOT
TP5: 12282 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP6: 12297 H 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP7: 12311 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP8: 12326 H 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP9: 12341 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP10: 12355 H 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP11: 12370 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP12: 12384 H 20000 6/7 SPOT
TP13: 12399 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP14: 13414 H 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP15: 12428 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP16: 12443 H 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP17: 12457 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP18: 12472 H 20000 6/7 SPOT
TP19: 12486 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP20: 12501 H 20000 6/7 SPOT
TP21: 12516 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP22: 12530 H 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP23: 12545 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP24: 12559 H 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP25: 12574 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP26: 12588 H 20000 6/7 SPOT
TP27: 12603 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP28: 12618 H 20000 6/7 SPOT
TP29: 12632 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP30: 12647 H 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP31: 12661 V 20000 6/7 CONUS
TP32: 12676 H 20000 6/7 CONUS

The above post was made 1 Day ago. Not a big deal but foreseeing the future is irresponsible. :D

This thread will be closed.

Please read what I highlighted in red in the above quote Ftaplaya...

All I am saying is for you all to stop with the promises and back patting because it comes back to get you and makes the whole team look bad.

I have said this from the beginning when you all came on board here.

I have two of these magnums and like them a lot. They arent perfect but none of the other boxes are either.

We at this site will give you guys all the support possible but at times its tough when your own guys are working against you.

Looking forward to the next new bin be it perfect or not.

peetee07

01-28-2007, 05:16 PM

Grüner Elefant

01-28-2007, 05:39 PM