Around 1PM today DN removed the map57 encryption from the stream. This means that Rom19, Atmega, and all FTA are again running wide open again.

This is interesting considering that Spain's Rom110 was hit yesterday with a major ECM looping many cams in the country. Could this be coming our way?

More info here: http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=66505

Chip: Sorry to edit this post but the above is more clear.

Maybe the ecm map57 was affectin the subs and they pulled the plug on it....boy I hope so...or maybe they figured viewsat cracked so they no longer are gonna use this method....pretty weird though:wow:

Dis is temporary, no doubt! :barf: but enjoys it while u can!:lol:

Seems very strange indeed! but yep-All DN channels are playing on my 2500a as well as my 3500SD. Charlie might be just doing some sort of test. Saw this sort of thing before back in the Dtv HU days.
Just hope they leave them on far a while while Blacklist and crew get their things sorted out. ~Stingray75~

Dis is temporary, no doubt! :barf: but enjoys it while u can!:lol:
Really?? care to share your info with us?

Could It Be Somebody Didn't Pay Up?

JMJW

Itz all temporary, one after da other no inside info needed common sense, thats all

not a good sign

gotta agree if everything is up and running then something big is going to happen, always hope for the best but expect the worse

The only thing I can say Is my atmeg has never looked this good in months.
If it stays wide open for one minute,hour,day,week or month its a bonus.
Its called testing so lets sit back and enjoy the ride.Best of luck to all !!

several weeks back d/n said they may part company with nagravision. maybe this is it? be well advised to do some recording while you can. nothing last forever

don't look a gift-horse in the mouth - unless that horse is Jenna Jameson and the gift she's holding is a case o' beer...in other words enjoy it while it lasts.

This is a big blow to viewsat wow.

any knowledgeable comments as to what is in the stream now or has been in the last few days revisions ecm's or otherwise anyone? dont see charlie giving up one form of encrytption for another without first having the replacement in place definately strange news indeed

I dont get it....some people rant and rave because we have been down for 3 months...and now, they bellyache because we are open for business again!!! They say this does not bode well for Viewsat...or that this is a sign of really bad things to come, etc...

How about just sitting back and enjoying this little window we are having and quit bitching like prepubescent girls! Butch up already!

I dont get it....some people rant and rave because we have been down for 3 months...and now, they bellyache because we are open for business again!!! They say this does not bode well for Viewsat...or that this is a sign of really bad things to come, etc...

How about just sitting back and enjoying this little window we are having and quit bitching like prepubescent girls! Butch up already!


If you dont know where your at and how you got there in this hobby how are you supposed to know where your going??? didnt see anyone crying about any thing just discussing..for every thing there is a reason and this is no exception:beer:

Well,its open, and Im gonna have a beer and watch some TV.:beer: Cheers.

Enjoy it while it lasts... and I hope it lasts forever. Well, I don't want to think about tomorrow. :yes:

Oh How I love her............ Pure prime meat........ Good enough to eat......... Good enough to leak............. Good enough to %*&#:p


don't look a gift-horse in the mouth - unless that horse is Jenna Jameson and the gift she's holding is a case o' beer...in other words enjoy it while it lasts.

If I were to venture a guess as to why all the FTA receviers are now working, I would say it is one of two reasons. First off, it may just be some of their equipment is malfunctioning and reverting to their old format is nothing more than a temporary fix for their problem.

Second, it could mean they are installing some new equipment and it may have been necessary to shut down certain operations while installing the new stuff.

I have no evidence whatsoever to support what I just said, but to my mind those would be the two most likely reasons for it.

Assuming I am correct, this all open FTA receiver condition will be short lived. But, on the other hand, I could be dead wrong.

don't look a gift-horse in the mouth - unless that horse is Jenna Jameson and the gift she's holding is a case o' beer...in other words enjoy it while it lasts.

Jenna Jamason would be Licking a gift whore in the mouse.

i think we should enjoy this as much as we can hoping the best for us

If I were to venture a guess as to why all the FTA receviers are now working, I would say it is one of two reasons. First off, it may just be some of their equipment is malfunctioning and reverting to their old format is nothing more than a temporary fix for their problem.

Second, it could mean they are installing some new equipment and it may have been necessary to shut down certain operations while installing the new stuff.

I have no evidence whatsoever to support what I just said, but to my mind those would be the two most likely reasons for it.

Assuming I am correct, this all open FTA receiver condition will be short lived. But, on the other hand, I could be dead wrong.

When BOB speak alway made good points:yes: :yes: :p :p Now I am ready for the new ECM:D see if ViewSat stand up for the test

Just heard that rev10b is in the stream.....Might want to pull your cards....C.:(

Jenna Jamason would be Licking a gift whore in the mouse.
In the mouth?????

Lower your expectations a little--- a little farther -- a little more Yep right there!

Indeed good news! And we'll see shortly what's next (I think).

Just heard that rev10b is in the stream.....Might want to pull your cards....C.:(
Yes I heard and read about that ,not sure what this means ...but he's up to something, someone else posted if he was sure it was 10b, or 108,, and the answer was ...yes the info on his sub reciever said so, ...what is 10b, is it just a open revison for him to make changes in the real one he plans to use next? is that why most older roms cards are working too,,and the fta's, and the atmega right now? cards burnt in europe , something IS STARTING TO STINK, may be as soon as friday from reading I done ,but hold on tight, we're gona go another round, it will be bumpy...:o

The only thing I can say Is my atmeg has never looked this good in months.
If it stays wide open for one minute,hour,day,week or month its a bonus.
Its called testing so lets sit back and enjoy the ride.Best of luck to all !!


Actually its called stealing lol.. but who am I to Judge?

I have a feeling alot sheep (Plastic users) are being lead to Slaughter

If I were to venture a guess as to why all the FTA receviers are now working, I would say it is one of two reasons. First off, it may just be some of their equipment is malfunctioning and reverting to their old format is nothing more than a temporary fix for their problem.

Second, it could mean they are installing some new equipment and it may have been necessary to shut down certain operations while installing the new stuff.

The conventional wisdom seems to be that he pulled the Map 57 out of the stream in order to update his subs. That's why everything, down to an open ROM 3, is working right now.
Once his work is done, in a day or so, I would expect to see him go to a different Map Call. He doesn't know any more than the rest of us if VS has ALL the Map routines, but he is the one who can force Viewsat's hand, lol.
Isn't it fun to test? :yes:

Hmmm, I wonder.. this could get **VERY** interesting... If this goes down bad, and stays down again, maybe all the Viewsat owners will be looking for *another* brand to buy.?? For everyone's sake, I sure hope not, but, it could turn out to be an interesting scenario..!!!! You know the old addage... "Haste makes Waste"... well, a hasty purchase might prove wasteful... My Pansat sure looked good tonite tho....!!!!:wow:

is it just d**h or (EDIT) too?

soory about that

kickass... Please remove your reference to the "other" provider.?? it's against site rules, #6.......

Very interesting, well enjoy it while is last.......... sit back and have some beer.

I think the rules about the "other provider" are a held a little too much like dogma sometimes. They both (dish and "them") are usually on the same page or at least pretty close in terms of encryption techniques, and so I think it's silly to completely black all talk of them in cases like this. The provider may not be what we talk about here, but what's going on in their encryption is very much pertinent to our situations, because it mirrors dish.

For example if it all goes down again and then a month from now someone gets a legitimate hack of the northern provider, I want to know, because it could tell us a lot about how close we are to cracking dish.

If the other provider is down, then does that mean this isn't dish loading up to wipe everything out, and just a mistake on their part. Or does it mean they're waiting for dish to go first. Or if it's up, what does that mean?

I think sometimes we have to think a little about the rules (not just here, but in everything) and see WHY the rules are what they are. And what they really mean. I really don't know why we can't talk about them (there's really no answer on this site except you can't.) But if it's okay to use information about their ENCRYPTION to help with dish testing, it's silly and shortsighted not to (as long as we keep it just that, pertaining to dish testing.)

I think sometimes we have to think a little about the rules (not just here, but in everything) and see WHY the rules are what they are. And what they really mean. I really don't know why we can't talk about them (there's really no answer on this site except you can't.)

I'm sure there is a good reason. It probably has to do with where the server is located, court orders, and things like that. I'm fine with the site owners setting the rule and trusting that they have a good reason. In the same way I'd be OK with the New York Times NOT printing all of the secret tools our government is using to catch terrorists.

Roger Bacon

Just another phase of da game, last at bat down 3, bases loaded two strikes :no: heres da pitch :wow: to be continued! :cool:

this maybe a stupid question, is dish info SPKy and dishinfo9 channel are the MAP 57 or that just makes dish network go?

I'd like to thank the Academy. My Mom and Dad. The Mail-Man. And Dish Network for throwing me a bone.

enjoy it!!!!!!!! nothing last forever, but use them while you can, they were'nt working before so what do we have to lose, a rom10 that don't work, nothing was working before so what the hell (free tv)

Verified Bin 272 working on Pansat 2700

Verified Bin 272 working on Pansat 2700
273 works even better (it has auto role working)

I don't know who this lilmafia guy is but that wanna be gangsta rap is lame.
As for the rest of the news, it's good to hear.
This reminds me of a few episodes from the DTV days when they threw out a ecm and it messed with regular subscriber stb's.
They yanked the ecm and we had a few weeks of unending bliss.
If this is a changeup from nagra to another form of encryption then were all in for a few months of snow eventually.
I won't enjoy it while it lasts simply because I watch linear only now and have been since this all began.
I'm quite happy with the lineup on 123 and don't plan to switch.
Several of the other foreign providers have also decided to play fairly recent movies on many of their channels so, for me its the same as dish, without the ppv.
Either way, I'm out of the rat race, which is why i post so rarely these days.

getting phonecalls out the a$$ for keys from everyone i set a box up. time to fire the laptop up and replace some bin files with autoroll.

I think the rules about the "other provider" are a held a little too much like dogma sometimes. They both (dish and "them") are usually on the same page or at least pretty close in terms of encryption techniques, and so I think it's silly to completely black all talk of them in cases like this. The provider may not be what we talk about here, but what's going on in their encryption is very much pertinent to our situations, because it mirrors dish.

For example if it all goes down again and then a month from now someone gets a legitimate hack of the northern provider, I want to know, because it could tell us a lot about how close we are to cracking dish.

If the other provider is down, then does that mean this isn't dish loading up to wipe everything out, and just a mistake on their part. Or does it mean they're waiting for dish to go first. Or if it's up, what does that mean?

I think sometimes we have to think a little about the rules (not just here, but in everything) and see WHY the rules are what they are. And what they really mean. I really don't know why we can't talk about them (there's really no answer on this site except you can't.) But if it's okay to use information about their ENCRYPTION to help with dish testing, it's silly and shortsighted not to (as long as we keep it just that, pertaining to dish testing.)
i beleive the main reason for that rule is thelocation of the site servers i think they are in canada so the less we say about them the better.:beer: :beer:

getting phonecalls out the a$$ for keys from everyone i set a box up. time to fire the laptop up and replace some bin files with autoroll.
i remeber those days that why i teach my peeps to load there own of course you have some that never get it charge them double.:beer: :beer: