I`ve done some reading on the new IPRO receiver. It seems to be a good receiver. I`m currently set up with a Pansat 2500,& my patience is finally running out. If a 2500 user were to buy now, is the ipro the way to go ? I`m also considering a VS setup. How about some love from any current ipro users ! I assume that it is running as of now, how is it working out ??? Are the bug issues resolved ?? Please advise o gods of FTA . . . As my cable sucks . . .

Ipros are running but take a little time to come back when keys changes. IMO I would never test anything that you are connected to by internet. Viewsat is currently running with a cardless fix and I just ordered one a couple of days ago since my 3500 is not running yet:)

I`ve done some reading on the new IPRO receiver. It seems to be a good receiver. I`m currently set up with a Pansat 2500,& my patience is finally running out. If a 2500 user were to buy now, is the ipro the way to go ? I`m also considering a VS setup. How about some love from any current ipro users ! I assume that it is running as of now, how is it working out ??? Are the bug issues resolved ?? Please advise o gods of FTA . . . As my cable sucks . . .

Right now VS is running pretty good with the latest bin.
As for iPro, the guide/interface still has a lot of issues,
and whenever it tries to update from internet, if there were any latency or access issues, the screen would freeze. Also, channel switching is a lot
slower.

So, I would recommend VS over iPro right now.

not only latency in updating,, but the ip traces that are most likely being put up will slow things down as well..

seriously,,,
if you value your privacy and or the money in your bank account,,, stay away from anything that uses a PUBLIC card sharing server..

not only latency in updating,, but the ip traces that are most likely being put up will slow things down as well..

seriously,,,
if you value your privacy and or the money in your bank account,,, stay away from anything that uses a PUBLIC card sharing server..
It really isn't card sharing. The neosat uses IKS. It sends the MAP57 only. By itself it does nothing, your FTA does the rest. The signal passes through 2 proxies overseas.(Korea) Most of these forums are hosted in Canada and the US. It would be far easier for them to sieze these servers and log all IPs of everyone downloading bins that provide full signal access.

The neosat also provides 3 options for testing.
1-IKS (working with weekly improvements with latency)
2-Carded. (working, no latency)
3-FTA (waiting for new cardless bin, no latency)

BULL that it isn't card sharing,,, that's exactly what it is...
it don't MATTER what you call it... it's sharing the card,,,,
where do you think the map57 is??? ON THE CARD... how do you access it???
you access the card,,, how many are doing it??? MANY... what is it then??
CARD SHARING..

What do you mean it would be easier to get the forums... HAHAHAHAHA

your IRD is hooked up to the server.. it's is constantly downloading,, leaving a trail,, NO MATTER HOW MANY PROXIES you go through...

If you think any different,, I hope your bank account is big,,, I hear lawyers fees can get quite steep these days...

btw, there is a big difference in downloading a 'bin',, and downloading keys...
with a bin, prove I used it...
with keys... ummm.. well... ummmm...
C'mon

We've had many discussion on IKS/Card sharing on this site,, (and other sites as well)...do some research..

here is a good starting point..

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showpost.php?p=376349&postcount=9

here we go again doc:lol: , i think i will stay out of it this time btw you are right:cool:

it doesn't matter to me if they do it...
just go into it with yours eyes open to what can happen.
Many of mili's customers were blinded as well...

and we know what just happened there don't we?

EVERYTHING 'testers' do holds risk,, using a public server to share (ahem) keys is probably one of the more risky ventures... and yes,, downloading files from sites like this contain risk as well..

telling people it's perfectly safe is just idiotic...

(jumping off the Empire State building is perfectly safe as well... as long as you don't land that is)

it doesn't matter to me if they do it...
just go into it with yours eyes open to what can happen.
Many of mili's customers were blinded as well...

and we know what just happened there don't we?

EVERYTHING 'testers' do holds risk,, using a public server to share (ahem) keys is probably one of the more risky ventures... and yes,, downloading files from sites like this contain risk as well..

telling people it's perfectly safe is just idiotic...

(jumping off the Empire State building is perfectly safe as well... as long as you don't land that is)
Yeah doc, it's kinda like that ol' saying "the check's in the mail and I WON'T xxx in your mouth!":)

Back to lurk mode,
jr

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Thanks everybody. I started losing perspective on the 'testing aspect' of this hobby, as I am frustrated right now. I have been testing since back in the DAVE H. card era,through the HU. period,emulation,etc, & now into fta,which is better yet. I have aquired a rather large pile of now unused receivers,dishes,cards,emu boards,& other various electronic gear in the process. I just don`t want to rush into investing in more gear such as a receiver series only because it happens to be up & running this week. That`s why I think that the ipro looks good right now. It seems that, right now as things are,This unit or others like it on the horizon, will have more upgradeability or expandibility in this ever-changing,ever growing hobby . . . I do realize that no series of boxes is perfect,or without some minor glitches or issues, nor as a tester, do I expect them to be perfect. I just wanted some perspective from the users of the other stuff out there, to maybe help in the decision process in which way to go from here, & you guys have given me that, Thanks !

C W.

BULL that it isn't card sharing,,, that's exactly what it is...
it don't MATTER what you call it... it's sharing the card,,,,
where do you think the map57 is??? ON THE CARD... how do you access it???
you access the card,,, how many are doing it??? MANY... what is it then??
CARD SHARING..
Card sharing sends alot more info than a 8K bit of info every 10 seconds w/IKS.(Card sharing is risky because it provides the complete piece.) By itself, the MAP57 does nothing.(Like buying bullets proves I'm going to load them in a gun and kill someone.) Prove I'm taking these keys and combine them with the rest of the puzzle. Give me a break! Like I said before, downloading bins that provide total access from sites in USA/Canada is just, if not more risky.

Keep livin the dream buddy!
And lighten up!

Peace

Card sharing sends alot more info than a 8K bit of info every 10 seconds w/IKS.(Card sharing is risky because it provides the complete piece.) By itself, the MAP57 does nothing.(Like buying bullets proves I'm going to load them in a gun and kill someone.) Prove I'm taking these keys and combine them with the rest of the puzzle. Give me a break! Like I said before, downloading bins that provide total access from sites in USA/Canada is just, if not more risky.

Keep livin the dream buddy!
And lighten up!

Peace

there are places for delusional people like yourself...
who the f cares whether it's 8k of info.. or more...
YOU ARE LINKED TO THE SERVER.. LEAVING A PERFECT TRACABLE TRAIL ..

but go ahead... no skin of my teeth,,
I'm just trying to make sure you and others know what you/they are doing, and the consequences...
thinking you are 'safe' because of proxies or '8k' is.. well...

"the server is located offshore"

ROFLMFAO

"keep living the dream buddy"

there are places for delusional people like yourself...
who the f cares whether it's 8k of info.. or more...
YOU ARE LINKED TO THE SERVER.. LEAVING A PERFECT TRACABLE TRAIL ..

but go ahead... no skin of my teeth,,
I'm just trying to make sure you and others know what you/they are doing, and the consequences...
thinking you are 'safe' because of proxies or '8k' is.. well...

"the server is located offshore"

ROFLMFAO

"keep living the dream buddy"
Number one: Dont put words in my mouth. Everything can be traced.(I never said it couldn't, but proxies make it harder.) Everytime you download a bin, your IP is logged.(In reff to these forums and no proxies.) That can be traced more easily. I can have the MAP57 that can be traced through the internet, but that is just a piece of the puzzle, the FTA does the rest.

"ROFLMFAO"/ I say; back at ya!

P.S. Name calling is really immature, in refference to: ("delusional people like yourself...")
My advice: "Grow up!"

First off....

It DOESN'T matter who's right....

If DN continues what they have recently started by mailing to recipients of their perspective IP's.....

You will be dragged into the Judicial System....which has Nothing to do with Justice....

They will settle with you Out of Court for an amount slightly less than your lawyer's fees, to Prove your innocence.....

The ball will be in your Court(no pun) and you WILL make a BUSINESS decision.....to save money and they once again win....

Number one: Dont put words in my mouth. Everything can be traced.(I never said it couldn't, but proxies make it harder.) Everytime you download a bin, your IP is logged.(In reff to these forums and no proxies.) That can be traced more easily. I can have the MAP57 that can be traced through the internet, but that is just a piece of the puzzle, the FTA does the rest.

"ROFLMFAO"/ I say; back at ya!

P.S. Name calling is really immature, in refference to: ("delusional people like yourself...")
My advice: "Grow up!"

you don't seem to understand...
yup,, I download a bin,, they trace my IP,, never said they didn't,,, BUT... do I have anything to use that bin with?? How do you know,, you don't.. you can only guess.

You download the map57 part (from the shared card),, what downloads,, ummm. the FTA ird.. correct?? It requested the download.. it only has one specific purpose. The IRD is connected to that server and requesting the 'keys' it needs... not your computer,, the IRD... there is no other reason for those keys to be requested. it MUST be for the decryption of DN's satellite signal PERIOD. There is no guessing. It is a shared server, public, and designed and set up for specifically one purpose and one purpose only. To feed the 'keys' (from the shared card btw) to all those ird's that are requesting them. No other reason, no one is reading a forum, there is no bin to download and mess with,, nope,, just one purpose.. illegal decryption of DN's signal.. no way around it.. no guessing.

see my point?? Your reference to bin downloading, although half true, is valid to a point,, but, it is not the 'same' as IKS.. is it?? not in the least..

and dogg_fred..
you have an excellent point,,, you must have been around when DTV was very active in their campaign...

and of course,, once the NA owners of the IKS servers are busted,, (not if, but when),, they will have no problem in turning over the logs of the IP connections that only served one purpose.. will they??

You see, I have grown up, and no longer need to lie to myself or others. I know what's right and wrong, and don't need to try to make excuses for my actions to make me feel better... in fact, precisely why I gave up testing in 02 when the Canadian government categorically stated that doing so was illegal.

PS.. I didn't call you any names,,, only delusional people would think that...

oh yeah,,,
sorry if I'm messing up your sales... ;)

oh yeah,,,
sorry if I'm messing up your sales... ;)
Get a grip! I am no way affiliated with a company in this field.(Now you pissed me off!) Who's delusional? You need to get a life my friend. You say you didn't call me names, yet you state for the second time, "I'm delusional."

The statement you made about me being linked to NS is total BS! Your delusional!
(I just state the facts, and you respond with accusations.)

This is testing, calm down! OK? Take a deep breath and not try not to be so upset about life. Understand?

Go in peace Doc.

Its just life, not a fight.

One more thing, your signiture pretty much sums it up.

"This is just my opinion -- take it for what it's worth -- BTW, I'm right!"

Now thats a great attitude! Seems like a failure to see beyond oneself....

everyone that's been outwitted always attacks my sig...

hurts don't it??

I've been told that I'd have to 'eat' that sig manytimes over...

I'm still here...

they're not

go figure..

have a good one bud!

I have no hard feelings,, I just rather see people test safe with both eyes open that's all... getting sued by a major satellite television corporation is not worth the 'free tv' that was watched by a long shot. People need to be aware of the possible consequences of what they are doing... I haven't found a NS user/promoter/adherant that has been completely honest about the legal implications yet... that's all

Down most all yesterday! Down since midnight again! That's DOWN!:grr: :sad: :grr:

Listen guys, I`m a Pansat owner. I`ve been down since June. If "testing"an ipro gives me a couple hours a day,that`s a couple hours a day my Pansat won`t give me. The potential with this stb well into the future seems damn good. Yes it does have some issues right now, but I know that they will be worked out eventually. That`s more than I can say about BL`s Pansat support . . .

You're free to do as you please, but it's buyer beware. Have you checked out this thread yet ?

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=64573

doc if i were you i would let it go, i almost blew a gasket argueing with the last salesman they had on here[doncomplete], you and i and any other rational person know that buying a viewsat is much safer than running a iks[internet tracking device:lol: ], what amazes me is that after there sales pitch is done you usually won't find them posting any helpful threads, let the buyer beware is about all we can say

everyone that's been outwitted always attacks my sig...

hurts don't it??

I've been told that I'd have to 'eat' that sig manytimes over...

I'm still here...

they're not

go figure..

have a good one bud!

I have no hard feelings,, I just rather see people test safe with both eyes open that's all... getting sued by a major satellite television corporation is not worth the 'free tv' that was watched by a long shot. People need to be aware of the possible consequences of what they are doing... I haven't found a NS user/promoter/adherant that has been completely honest about the legal implications yet... that's all Peace my friend!

Why would anyone want an IPro when you could have a Viewsat or Sonicview with a cardless fix and loads of features??? On top of that, the Sonicview has arguably the best picture of any FTA box !

markeymark, this must be the unit you were endorsing.I must say , they sure
have a lot of satisfied customers, unlike say....VS or even Coolsat crew.

http://www.futuredss.com/vforum/showthread.php?t=1178

I am not taking any sides, but I can not see why anyone would buy into
these scheme when it is very unreliable and expensive(in terms of risk).
:beer:

doc if i were you i would let it go, i almost blew a gasket argueing with the last salesman they had on here[doncomplete], you and i and any other rational person know that buying a viewsat is much safer than running a iks[internet tracking device:lol: ], what amazes me is that after there sales pitch is done you usually won't find them posting any helpful threads, let the buyer beware is about all we can say
I'm not a salesman!

markeymark, this must be the unit you were endorsing.I must say , they sure
have a lot of satisfied customers, unlike say....VS or even Coolsat crew.



I am not taking any sides, but I can not see why anyone would buy into
these scheme when it is very unreliable and expensive(in terms of risk).
:beer:
I'm in no way affiliated with any compay.
Just Canadian Beer!

I never said or even implied that you were a salesman. I've read all your
posts and see that you do (or did) have VS, so my question to you is why pay for something (IKS) when it is free on VS. <_<