EchoStar, along with its signal security partner NagraStar, said that an international satellite piracy disrtibutor has agreed to plead guilty in a California federal court to two felony offenses - theft of satellite signals and theft of trade secrets. The accused Simi Valley-based signal pirate faces a maximum of 15 years in prison and a fine of more than $750,000 plus restitution, the companies said.

With the help of extensive surveillance by the companies, the FBI executed a search and seizure warrant against Alexander Gluzman in March. According to EchoStar, Gluzman was found in possession of devices used for the unauthorized decryption of DISH Network's satellite programming.

Gluzman is expected to be arraigned on the charges July 31 in a Los Angeles District Court, EchoStar said.

The charge of theft of trade secrets against Gluzman is the result of infractions against "another national satellite provider" discovered during the investigation, EchoStar said. Gluzman reportedly admitted to obtaining and unlawfully distributing trade secrets and proprietary information from "that provider."

There goes one of our spies. This is going to put a damper on others with inside info for fare of getting caught. We need to start going after cable again.

15 years! I could pull and armed robery or rape and be out in 15 years (or less). It really tells the tale, how ridiculously unbalanced our laws are, and how governments (not just ours) are in bed with big buisiness.

It really tells the tale, how ridiculously unbalanced our laws are, and how governments (not just ours) are in bed with big buisiness.

I couldn't agree more.

15 years! I could pull and armed robery or rape and be out in 15 years (or less). It really tells the tale, how ridiculously unbalanced our laws are, and how governments (not just ours) are in bed with big buisiness.


Hell I thought goverment was big buisiness now. where are the masses?:mad:

Hell I thought goverment was big buisiness now. where are the masses?

I stand corrected! :lol:

Our government are at the mercy of the big corp. (for crying out loud) We invaded Hatti for Wal-Mart, Because there President didn't want to make his people work for nothing, so he wanted Wal-Mart to pay more fare wages, but when he would not do what they wanted, we then went in and removed him and put someone in the president set that would do what we wanted. But you won’t see that news on TV. I got off track, but you get the point. :wow:

We need to start going after cable again.
You can go after cable if you want to, but with their two-way communication I personally think it is a dead issue.

It makes me wounder if I should trust people from this side of the coast..... 15 years is a long time for this type of crime. But lets let a known multiple rapist out in 7 so that he can move into our hoods and do it again..... Lets let a convicted murderer rome the streets out on bail so that when is time to go to court..... no show. Better yet... Let our goverment not let us have fire arms and be completely at their merci.......... I understand the technicality here but the signal floats in the air....we just happen to play catch testing... I hope I don't offend any one and made sence to some. Thank you!:o

Thats the max he can get.He probaby took a deal for him pleading guilty.Id be suprised if he gets more than two years.

2 years is still too much time for a petty so-called crime, its an RF signal, who really owns it, its out there floating in the air , these people may own the rights to the master tapes, but an RF signal, i highly doubt it, how can you own something that you cannot phisically touch or see, i think the person should get ZERO time

How can you own something that you cannot physically touch or see?
Happens all the time. Countries own their air space, and there is what is called "intellectual property".

The definition for "intellectual property" is:

A product of the intellect that has commercial value, including copyrighted property such as literary or artistic works, and ideational property, such as patents, appellations of origin, business methods, and industrial processes.

Bob, if you park your car in my front yard you must move it. What do I do if you park your "intellectual property" in my front yard? A bogus term, but it's the law unfortunately. Of course, since when have the laws made sense?

so does this mean they are only going after the big fish or will they soon start doing the same thing dave did going after any and every body


also "another national satellite provider" who would this be the chick? or the old and dear dave? makes you wonder at what the future might hold

also i agree something basicly wrong with laws that allow pediphiles to run free and worse but make sure they have anyone caught screwing big business prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and then some its bs

Bob, if you park your car in my front yard you must move it. What do I do if you park your "intellectual property" in my front yard? A bogus term, but it's the law unfortunately. Of course, since when have the laws made sense?

Incorrect analogy. air space is not private domain, it is public domain owned by the government and regulated by the FCC. So instead of yard, its more like the street infront of your house.

So the proper analogy in this case would be:

Bob, if you park your car on my public street, when I know no cops are watching I'm going to steal your car. So what would I do if you park your "intellectual property" on my street?

Cheers! :D

It only stands as law as long as nobody contests it.
Money bought that law and money can make it go away.
Either THAT or lobbying.
Quote areas of THAT law that infringes on Americans civil liberties, and there are many, and you can start a case.
Freedom of expression, (testing) etc.
Remember that victimless crimes are easy to manipulate and overturn.
No court calls a law such as this a victim based offense since it's big business.
Doing what this guy did in USA was dumb to begin with, thats why the real movers and shakers are REALLY moving and shaking their collective asses country to country. The only way this guy could've been busted to begin with is if he stayed put for a VERY long time doing the same thing and sharing it over the net etc.
Remember that before the FEDS get involved in bringing a case that the evidence has to be damning in it's entirety.
And THAT people, takes a very long time.
You wont see a Federal trial based on circumstancial anything.
OH and by the way guys, I got a visit from a local Legal type guy wanting to know what I do.
Oh but was he convincing!
Talking the talk, acting like he's just 1 of us guys.
But you see, I don't talk it and I dont walk it anywhere but here.
He got my linear signal speech just like the last 2 feds who visited.
And the next guy that comes along will get the same one yet again.
Don't think they'll eventually visit you?
Think again and remember to volunteer nothing.
When he asks what bin you use say whats a bin.
When he asks what websites you visit for Sat info say lyngsat.
When he asks how many STB'S you own or sold, just say thats priveleged info.
And when he calls you a prickless coward for not sharing, just flip it out and show him yours is real.

Happens all the time. Countries own their air space, and there is what is called "intellectual property".

The definition for "intellectual property" is:

A product of the intellect that has commercial value, including copyrighted property such as literary or artistic works, and ideational property, such as patents, appellations of origin, business methods, and industrial processes.

Yes last year the Mexican several congressmans said:

Let the world know that if it is on Mexican air Belongs to the Mexican People"

So sorry charlie,:D

There's no crime (at least here)

Cheers!

Mattz21 I have to disagree, I was speaking of the concept "signal theft" not the concept of federal airspace. That SIGNAL is considered by Dave and Charlie to be their "intellectual property". It is, according to that claim, the private property of, say, Echostar. It is not just hitting the airspace above my house, but my entire property. It IS analogous (if you buy their silly assertion that it is "real" property) to Bob parking his car in my yard.

When he asks how many STB'S you own or sold, just say thats priveleged info.
And when he calls you a prickless coward for not sharing, just flip it out and show him yours is real.

:lol:

Bravo! Good advice on any legal entanglement! DON'T vounteer info. Few LEO's knocking on your door have a warrant. If they do they will immediately state it and enter. (the only prudent thing for them to do). If they are "fishing" with you, and you don't tell them what they want, it's the classic "well, we can always come back with a warrant". Nope! If they had sufficient evidence for a warrant it would be in their hand. The fishing expedition proves that they don't have it. DON'T volunteer anything. I've never had one of these visits, but the ACLU (as much as I dislike many of their new agendas) has some very good info and advice on LEO encounters.

Yeah,but the air space that he's using is'nt out in the street it's on his property that he pays for or pays to rent

Yes but dont forget that you arent just aiming an aieral to catch the best signal, You are TARGETING their bird on purpose.
Which is part of a new agenda thats being introduced into the mix.
Theyre using THAT argument to prove intent.

pappa, how would the equation change if the dish you operated was....
say:motorized ?

iorneddie
i agree with you 100% some laws sure are screwed up for sure

This is getting nit-picky. The point I tried to make was this: Physical property is different than that signal. If I steal say your car or your TV or your mower or your wife. You DONT have it/her anymore! (I know some of you married guys are relieved :lol: ) I decrypt DN programming and that is legally theft. Their costs don't go up a dime. That signal still hits my neighbors house just as well. It doesn't cost them anymore to keep the sat in orbit. Their losses are potential revenue. Their argument is that IF! I subscribed for what I'm watching, they'd get $xxxx.xx dolllars revenue. It's a bird-in-a-bush argument. Bogus, IMO.

This is getting nit-picky. The point I tried to make was this: Physical property is different than that signal. If I steal say your car or your TV or your mower or your wife. You DONT have it/her anymore! (I know some of you married guys are relieved :lol: ) I decrypt DN programming and that is legally theft. Their costs don't go up a dime. That signal still hits my neighbors house just as well. It doesn't cost them anymore to keep the sat in orbit. Their losses are potential revenue. Their argument is that IF! I subscribed for what I'm watching, they'd get $xxxx.xx dolllars revenue. It's a bird-in-a-bush argument. Bogus, IMO.

along the same argument, then its okay for me to pull up my car on a public street and use a eaves drop on someone's wireless lan network to figure out their WEP code and then use their wireless internet? Cuz you better attentuate that shit or its free for the taking?

Okay.. it doesn't cost them anymore to keep the sat in orbit. So if best buy starts selling boxes and handing out Echostar hacking guides.... who exactly would be paying to keep these satellites in the air and pay content providers to make shows? I mean I do test but I admit we are a bunch of freeloaders and I dont' feel like I have any right to complain if the current condition continues indefinitely...

What aobut cell phone service, if somehow someone figures out a way to use say Verizon's network to make outgoing calls using some Russian made phones... would that be okay too? Cuz shit, the base stations are already installed my neighbor pays his cell phone bill...

You've all heard the term, but few actually know all that it stands for. George Orwell wrote a book about "Big Brother" monitoring our daily activities, and acting against those who committed transgressions against the government. Sounding familiar yet? The telephone calls going through Langley, the internet being monitored there too, criminal and civil cases being brought against those who dare to exercise their knowledge; this is a part of the New World Order. For over two centuries we as Americans, have touted our way of life and government. Our government has imposed it's will on other countries, and the ones who haven't complied, have met with sanctions and/or military action. On a more narrow spectrum, we, the citizens, are nothing more than mindless sheep to the establishment. It can be compared to the mob; the Feds are the muscle, and the courts are the executioners. Remember all that has happened election day.

:fear:

pappa, how would the equation change if the dish you operated was....
say:motorized ?
No difference since the angle is so easy to calculate.
Most installers can tell you which bird youre pointed at just by looking, i know I can.
If the motorized dish is aimed at 110 then it's pretty ez to just look and know.
But remember, thats just 1 small part of the evidence procedure.
At this time however, that law isnt viable since there are still free feeds coming off of both 110 and 119, so the argument can be presented that these birds are used as a point of reference. Lets say i need 110 as a point of ref for my TS sat, then aiming to that is a must for me. Same applies to outer limit and inner limit calibration.

Every time you buy a product that is advertised on any tv show you are supporting the birds in the sky. Those add dollars are sufficient to keep
current programming and systems in place. They may not be sufficient to keep the multimillion dollar paychecks to the executives. I'd like to see limits to executive salaries anyway. Its needed to maintain a sustainable democracy.
Right now our democracy is not meeting the needs of the working masses, which will result in rebellion in one form or another.
Does testing count?

EchoStar, along with its signal security partner NagraStar, said that an international satellite piracy disrtibutor has agreed to plead guilty in a California federal court to two felony offenses - theft of satellite signals and theft of trade secrets. The accused Simi Valley-based signal pirate faces a maximum of 15 years in prison and a fine of more than $750,000 plus restitution, the companies said.

With the help of extensive surveillance by the companies, the FBI executed a search and seizure warrant against Alexander Gluzman in March. According to EchoStar, Gluzman was found in possession of devices used for the unauthorized decryption of DISH Network's satellite programming.

Gluzman is expected to be arraigned on the charges July 31 in a Los Angeles District Court, EchoStar said.

The charge of theft of trade secrets against Gluzman is the result of infractions against "another national satellite provider" discovered during the investigation, EchoStar said. Gluzman reportedly admitted to obtaining and unlawfully distributing trade secrets and proprietary information from "that provider."
I got busted for Theft of Services in 1989. I was ( heaven forbid ) hooking up cable in a not so legal way at the apartment complex I managed in China Lake Ca. I recieved a 10 day sentence to be served at the beautiful Lerdo country club in Bakersfield Ca. Just thought I'd share that with yall.

i din't even knew about those things

Well if maybe the signal in the air is Daves or Charlies and controlled by the feds so be it. However I'm not out in my yard jumping up trying to catch it. It just so happens that their signal is crashing into my dish on the side of my house. Doesn't matter if my dish is pointed at their sat. Now once it hits my dish it travels into my coax cable. Now they have invaded my personal property and it is no longer an air wave but an electronic signal that my lnb produced, so the data in that cable is now owned by me. What I choose to do with it at that point is up to me. So now where am I breaking the law?

Well if maybe the signal in the air is Daves or Charlies and controlled by the feds so be it. However I'm not out in my yard jumping up trying to catch it. It just so happens that their signal is crashing into my dish on the side of my house. Doesn't matter if my dish is pointed at their sat. Now once it hits my dish it travels into my coax cable. Now they have invaded my personal property and it is no longer an air wave but an electronic signal that my lnb produced, so the data in that cable is now owned by me. What I choose to do with it at that point is up to me. So now where am I breaking the law?
I think that is a wonderful argument and you should use it in the event you get hauled into court for satellite signal theft. Please let us know what happens after you put forth your legal theory to the judge.

i don't know about all the legal aspects of fta , but i can tell you why i and probaly most people are [testing] fta and other modded equiptment, it's because we are overtaxed, underpaid, and stressed to the max with bill's, hell a good chunk of my pay goes into my gas tank so i can drag my ass to work, to a job that almost pays me enough to just keep my head above water, and i can't afford to get sick,[can't afford full medical coverage lol],so if i can have a couple of perks in life, such as modding a xbox to make games for my kid's at a cost of 6.00 instead of paying microsoft 50.00 per game, and grabbing all the free tv i can instead of makeing these billion dollar company's richer, and learning to build and trouble shoot my own pc's so i don't have to pay the geek squad 150.00 a hour , then i guess i am stealing and so be it, that's my opinion and also pappapump if the feds come knockin at my door i will hand them my shut off notice from the electric company,because with all the heat waves and tha airconditoners running 24/7 my bill is as high as my mortage, so i will tell them i can't afford to run the illegal receivers lol

No difference since the angle is so easy to calculate.
Most installers can tell you which bird youre pointed at just by looking, i know I can.
If the motorized dish is aimed at 110 then it's pretty ez to just look and know.
But remember, thats just 1 small part of the evidence procedure.
At this time however, that law isnt viable since there are still free feeds coming off of both 110 and 119, so the argument can be presented that these birds are used as a point of reference. Lets say i need 110 as a point of ref for my TS sat, then aiming to that is a must for me. Same applies to outer limit and inner limit calibration.
Just about any tech can look at a dish and tell which bird its pointed at. But there is'nt a tech in the world that can look at a dish and tell if the recivers inside are ativated or not. Just because there is a dish, that doesnt mean that someone has an active account.
I have been to many houses that had dishes, and recievers hooked up and plugged in with software up to date after the account had been closed for a couple of years. You cant tell anything about them until you hook it back up to the tv and look at the screen. Having a dish pointed does not constitute guilt. Dave and Charlie both know this. The best advice I can give is not to panic and dont admit to anything.
These things were here when I moved in and I dont have a clue as to what they do if anything.

Hi all, good arguments . But lets just say yes I had my dish pointed at there satellite. And yes I had every intention in the world of stealing there signal. But guess what? I never got the damn thing to work. I dont know what a bin is or how to use it.Dont have time to be on the computer to even learn any of it .So what law have I broken? Intentions I dont think so. Well I just had to add my 2 cents worth. Great forum by the way. stevo52.

I know that when i bought my house i got mineral rights, i wonder if that includes atmosphere rights, i don't recall anyone telling me different,until they can proove otherwise the signal is mine once it hits my property so suckrox charlie..