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NeonPirate
06-29-2006, 10:22 AM
THE HACKS, the HACKERS and the FACTS - A Chronology of Events

1. Nagra 1 Hack - compromised by NDS in a hush-hush laboratory in Israel. Keys released to underground hacking site. Private plastic hacks become a reality.

2. AVR2 - The first really reliable board hack for Nagra 1. It was financed by Ron McDonald. The brains behind it was his son-in-law. They were based in Paradise Island, originally from Burlington, ON. They got started back in the C-band days.There is an interesting article about this group if look for it on Google.

3. AVR3 - With the introduction of MECM processing, the AVR2 was replaced with the AVR3 "wedge" hack. Stuntguy wrote the code and it was for the most part freeware. This was the first "widespread" cardless hack. It was even banned in Canada because of RF
interference.

4. Atmega 128 - Enter MTL (Montreal) group. With the AVR3 no longer able to support cardless operation (due to MECM control word processing), a business man (Christian) out of Quebec financed the developement of the Atmega 128. OMega EFA was the original designer; x-15 was the coder. This card became the standard for testing among pirates and was widely distributed by dealers.

5. DSSRevolution - Christian decides to make another million; x-15 supplies the code; Christian screws x-15 and starts cloning. x-15 walks away and the project dies.

6. Magic Card - Two coders were actually behind this one. The "original" Magician was McDonald's son-in-law. There was initially no interest for this product. Enter Christian and MTL group. Having just screwed x-15, Christian's cash cow was out of milk. Christian agreed to fund this project. It was only a matter of time before Christian cloned this card too. Then the clone wars started. The "second" Magician who succeeding in cloning the card was Dave2 working quietly behind the scenes for Christian's MTL group. The "original" Magician abandoned Christian and teamed up with an offshore dealer in the Bahamas and introduced Magic 2. Christian even succeeded in screwing the cloner (i.e. Dave2) and the Magic card eventually died with the demise of Nagra 1. Although it wasn't the most popular card by far, the clone wars, DOS attacks, fake lawsuits, software hacks, biker stories and all the rest of it was a riot. Christian managed to make his third million during all the chaos.

7. DSSNeo - This card died before it was born. It was introduced towards the tail end of Nagra 1. It was not well financed. The coder was Trinity from CC.

8. Nagra 2 Hack - The MTL group financed the first successful attack on the 101 series cards in Canada. They even made a video boasting about their accomplishments and quietly circulated it among dealers in the summer of 2005. Christian was guaranteed a virtually monopoly on card programming and was charging $500 to program cards for Quebec and southern Ontario dealers. I think he got up to $5 million before a member of his group leaked the dumping techniques being used.

9. Public Nagra 2 Hack - Widespread dumps of the 101 card started to appear around September 2005 thanks to the leak.

10. Syndrome - An small dealer Dish Monkey in Ontario financed this project but sales were disappointing. A coder from CC was behind it. The project died after the manufacturer got busted, but it never really got off to a good start although the cards worked very well.

11. AVR-X - This was a unique idea. It got around cloning and firmware modding by latching onto the IRD JTAG port. Only someone who knows the JTAG port like the back of his hand could have pulled it off. Yep, Dave2 (of JKEYS fame), the "second" Magician was behind it. Christian didn't make a cent off it! The early cards were plagued by manufacturing and coding problems and finally tDave2 packed up his bags and disappeared.

12. Since Christian had burned every coder who had worked for him, he was on his own now. He turned to FTA instead. With controlling interests in Ariza, Viewsat and Coolsat, he was importing about 10,000 FTA units into Montreal every month. I think he is up to $7 million now. He almost got pinched by the RCMP in March 2006 for his role with the 101 card, but he got away.

13. Armulator/Armega - Christian and MTL group are behind this one too. By the spring of 2006 it was well known among coders that major datastream changes were on the way from Europe and extensive hashing would be the only way to stop the proliferation of FTA boxes. The coder is unknown, but he is a member of the MTL group and was instrumental in the 101 dealer hack. The code was sloppy and not optimized for fast RSA processing but the coder did anticipate the coming hashes and the card started getting better. The project is in trouble now as the original coder has bailed out. Several dealers dropped the card before it even had a chance. The Arm processor was a good idea. Christian always ruins a good project in his endless quest to make another buck or million.

14. Romulator - A coder close to Zacky's group in Spain is behind this card. He worked on the Atmega 128 for the European market. The "Romulata" card has been in wide circulation in Spain for several months now. It was delayed in North America because the coder wasn't familiar with the Jtag protocols. It is a hybrid of the Armulator and AVR-X. It was rumoured that the Armulator coder jumped ship and started working on the Romulator because it too uses the Arm chip. That would explain the manufacturing and supply problems of the Armulator. The card works well in Spain.

15. Mega Card / Super Atmega - Essentially an Atmega based card that uses two ICs instead of one. The idea being that two chips simultaneously perform RSA to cut the processing time in half. I am not certain about the coder, but I strongly suspect x-15. I believe it is two different cards financed by two different groups. The JTAG is involved in one design much like the AVR-X.

Keltic
06-29-2006, 10:47 AM
Already been posted here and as it was then it still stands as half truths, direct lies and advertisement for the Romulator. Pure propaganda started by a desperate dealer.

NeonPirate
06-29-2006, 12:12 PM
And you have facts to discredit or speculating?

hooha12
06-29-2006, 01:04 PM
Here is the previous thread that I think is refered to and the speculation that went with it. I have not seen any hard proof,but just reasonable deduction. Let's not get upset and argumentative. :beer: :beer:

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=58290

NeonPirate
06-29-2006, 01:24 PM
Who is argumenative? I'm just curious if its bull then how was this conclusion made? I'm sorry I thought a forum was a place for discussions, guess not. Please delete as appearently no one cares.

lilhit2
06-29-2006, 02:16 PM
I think what he means is that in the other thread the post was made by a one post noob and that he registered, posted, and signed off, never to return again. If you would like to know more of what was said, I recommend you check out the original thread.

donkfta
06-29-2006, 02:22 PM
Wait a minute, truth, half truths or what, keep this post going. I'm not a brain or sophisticated FTA person, but I'm interested in this information. Whether or not anyone accepts this as fact is their own decision, but this is an interesting post if nothing else.

I appreciate any and all info and I'll make up my mind whether it is factual or not by doing further research. Also, I appreciate both sets of information and beliefs that are posted here. Information is what it is and it's up to the individual to decide what is correct or not by digging and doing further investigation.

I'm not trying to be argumentative or even thinking of flaming anyone here because of their beliefs; but I would appreciate if we could just make our own choice on the truth of the info.

hooha12
06-29-2006, 02:34 PM
Who is argumenative? I'm just curious if its bull then how was this conclusion made? I'm sorry I thought a forum was a place for discussions, guess not. Please delete as appearently no one cares.

Didn't mean to offend. :no: I just read the two posts and had a feeling that that could very well be where this thread was heading.
:beer: :beer:

NeonPirate
06-29-2006, 03:20 PM
Here is the previous thread that I think is refered to and the speculation that went with it. I have not seen any hard proof,but just reasonable deduction. Let's not get upset and argumentative. :beer: :beer:

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=58290

Yup, read the thread, as I predicted a few people without facts jumping the gun and speculating. Regardless, if the guy has one post and hasn't been back. Or if he is spamming all the sites with the nonsense. Show some facts that discredit the above statements otherwise your statements hold as much value as the original posters. And hooha not offended at all, just friendly discussion. :p

mas110
06-29-2006, 04:49 PM
Hi

Please keeps this discussion going on. I also like to know the history of the testing and hear both sides.
Furthermore, can anybody tell me where PCI cards fit in this timeline of development. Are they classified as Plastic testing or FTA testing?.
Thanks
MAS110

thorn1968
06-29-2006, 05:36 PM
man...and I was aobut to plop down some coin for a romulator...I still may

lilhit2
06-29-2006, 06:39 PM
Whether it is true or not, it is still very interesting reading. I have my own opinions on this and I can see why some would believe this or disbelieve it. Some more info on this from the original poster or anyone would greatly be appreciated. Time to do a little bit of research!

bugger
06-29-2006, 07:10 PM
wha t about the battery card? had 1 that used 9v hooked up to it all the time, looked like an old bootstrap, but has more chips on it, all scratched of, cant tell which. have it sitting in a closet....used for the "h"..........

(thinking "dave" when i saw the term "dss".......seems like its listed for echo.....)

CableRave
07-12-2006, 11:03 PM
Wow!!! E* goes way further back then they have listed I am a old DR7 moderator and I remember the first IRD hacks wiring the chip inside the box!! from Swiss Cheese Group.

carding
05-23-2007, 05:22 PM
guys can you give me a pansat 2700a file i am zapped and this my first time to download my receiver many ty.. carding

DoctorNik
05-23-2007, 05:37 PM
guys can you give me a pansat 2700a file i am zapped and this my first time to download my receiver many ty.. carding

it's not polite to hijack a thread that has nothing to do with your request..

try staring a NEW thread with your request..

or better yet,, use the Search button first,, then ask