Viewing requirements for "True" FTA ....a c/p

There have been alot of questions lately about what's on other satellites besides Dish and BELL. Here are some things to remember about watching true FTA.

Your 18" or 20" dish with Direct TV/Dish/ LNB will not work! For one thing, the dish is too small to pick up the lower frequency signals from the FTA sats. Secondly, the Dish/ LNB is for 12.2-12.7 GHz circular (right-left) polarity. Ku FTA sats require 11.7-12.2 GHz linear (horizontal-vertical) polarity. C-band sats require a C-band LNB. Using your Dish Net LNB for FTA is like trying to tune into AM stations on an FM radio.

Some satellites, such as Galaxy 10R and Telstar 5, have both C-band and Ku-band capability. This does not mean that you can use a Ku dish to get C-band signals or vice-versa. Listed below are the dish requirements for each satellite and/or band allocation.

Here's the lowdown on various FTA sats and what's needed to get them:

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30" Dish, Ku Linear LNB (4-foot dish in Alaska/Hawaii/Canada/Carribbean) :LOF1/2 = 10750

Galaxy 13 (127W) : Chinese Channels

Galaxy 10R (123W) : UPN , WB, Fox, CBS, ABC Affiliates from Little Rock, Cheyenne, Burlington, Virgin Islands, and others; Pentagon Channel; STEP Star Education Network; KBS America; Univision and Telemundo affiliates; The Tube; Mas Musica; Veterans Affairs; radio stations

AMC-1 (103W) : NBC feeds (these are sporadic and you'll need a blind search receiver to find them)

AMC-4 (101W) : Religious channels; Foreign Channels; Lawyers TV; RTP

Telstar 5 (97W) : Daystar TV; Globecast; hundreds of Foreign TV and radio channels.

Telstar 6 (93W) : CBS and ABC feeds (need blind search receiver); Lord & Taylor

AMC-3 (87W) : PBS stations (requires AC3 audio capability)This sat is not available in Alaska/Hawaii

AMC-5 (79W) : Utah Educational Network; Empire Sports Network This sat is not available in Alaska/Hawaii

SBS-6 (74W): Ohio News Network This sat is not available in Alaska/Hawaii

AMC-6 (72W) : Comcast Southeast This sat is not available in Alaska/Hawaii



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C-band 7 to 12-foot dish and LNB :
LOF1/2 = 5150

AMC-8 (139W) : PBS affiliate from Fairbanks; ARCS (programming from Anchorage network affiliates for rural Alaska residents); University of Alaska telecourses; Gavel to Gavel Alaska This sat is not available in Canadian Maritimes

AMC-7 (137W) : Anchorage local stations This sat is not available in Canadian Maritimes

AMC-10 (135W) : Tech TV (requires AC3 audio capability) This sat is not available in Canadian Maritimes

Galaxy 1R (133W) : California Channel This sat is not available in Canadian Maritimes

Satcom C3 (131W) : Bloomberg TV (requires AC3 audio) This sat is not available in Canadian Maritimes

Galaxy 13 (127W) : RFD-TV This sat is not available in Newfoundland

Galaxy 10R (123W) : Outdoor Channel

Telstar 13 (121W) : Fuse; STC (requires AC3 audio capability); TV Washington; Sportsman Channel; Q TV Network (gay and lesbian channel, requires AC3 audio capability)

Anik F1 (107W) : CTV network (requires 8PSK capable receiver); ASN; Newsworld International; French channels

AMC-1 (103W) : Pax feeds; XYTV (requires AC3 audio capability), religious channels

AMC-4 (101W) : NBC network feeds; religious channels, UCTV

Galaxy 4 (99W) : Religious channels

Telstar 5 (97W) : TCT World, Urban America TV; BYU TV

Galaxy 3C (95W) : Voice of America TV; Horse racing channels; Equity network feeds

Telstar 6 (93W) : CBS Network Feeds (blind search required); CBS HD network feeds (must use HD-capable DVB-S card)

Galaxy 11 (91W) : WB network feeds; Independent stations from L.A.; Fox Movie Channel; EWTN

AMC-3 (87W) : Associated Press; Michigan Gov't; TVU This sat is not available in Alaska/Hawaii

For more detailed info on frequencies, symbol rates, and PIDs, visit www.lyngsat. com

thanks pal :)

here my question will be... being south texas, can I access any european channels?

Your 18" or 20" dish with Direct TV/Dish/ LNB will not work! For one thing, the dish is too small to pick up the lower frequency signals from the FTA sats.
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30" Dish, Ku Linear LNB (4-foot dish in Alaska/Hawaii/Canada/Carribbean) :LOF1/2 = 10750

It isn't that the frequency of the signals is too low, it is the power of the signal is too low; like 10 watts (C band) instead of 100+ watts. The other issue is spacing of the satellites. The smaller the dish the more of the sky it sees, hence the 9 degrees spacing for DBS. Whereas a 12' dish would have no trouble seeing only one satellite with 3 degree spacing.

As for needing a 4' Dish in Canada, that must be for Alaska latitudes. Go far enough North in Canada an BEV will tell you that you need a 6' dish! Most of the population in Canada can use the same size dish as would work in most States.
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Circular LNBs common on the small dishes cannot pick up linear LNB low frequency signals...U took me out of context and twisted it..U didn't read or comprehend the entire post!

Circular LNBs common on the small dishes cannot pick up linear LNB low frequency signals...U took me out of context and twisted it..U didn't read or comprehend the entire post!

Check this LNB out:

Invacom's QPH-031

Circular LNBs common on the small dishes cannot pick up linear LNB low frequency signals
Of course. That wasn't the error I was correcting.

...U took me out of context and twisted it..U didn't read or comprehend the entire post!

Of course I reed and comprehended the entire post, which is why thought this sentence needed correcting: "For one thing, the dish is too small to pick up the lower frequency signals from the FTA sats." I appreciated your original post and I am sure you understand the concepts. However, others reading it could be mislead by that statement which was intended to clarify the first sentence I quoted but, in fact, introduced an error. It is that simple, no twisting involved.

I see now I could have quoted a little better; I was relying on the reader to realize my mention of lower frequencies was responding to the quoted sentence referring to lower frequencies, not the first sentence which I left in for context.

Check this LNB out:

Invacom's QPH-031

Thanks for that. Way cool. I had been wondering why someone didn't come out with something like that. Can't wait to get one or two of those in a large Toroidal, which I am about to order. I had been wondering if there would be room to squeeze two LNBs together; now there is no need! And they claim better sensitivity!

The frequencies involved are so close together, so I don't think that is very important, although there could be something I am missing, especially with such high frequencies. But I think it is mostly all about polarization and dish size in relation to signal power. This LNB solves the polarization issue.

Thanks for that. Way cool. I had been wondering why someone didn't come out with something like that. Can't wait to get one or two of those in a large Toroidal.

Or maybe not. I just remembered a Toroidal needs a reverse polarity LNB because of the extra reflection. Damn. I wonder if there is a big enough market for a reverse polarity version?

Or maybe not. I just remembered a Toroidal needs a reverse polarity LNB because of the extra reflection. Damn. I wonder if there is a big enough market for a reverse polarity version?

Then again, what is the big deal with using an LNB with normal polarity? It should work, it is just that the channels would be a little mixed up, no? So it would be to either live with that annoyance or to open the LNB and hope to be able to reverse the wiring.

Three questions:
1. What does LOF1/2 = NNNNN refer to?

2. What is AC3 audio capability? Does the pansat 3500 s have it?

3. If receiving true FTA and Dishnet is desireable with a 90 cm dish. would it be necessary to install 2 LNBFs side by side, one with linear polarity and the other with circular polarity?

Thank you thrill1951 for an informative post

Then why are people able to use a dtv dish & a ku lnb?:no:

The dish is just a hunk of metal that reflects the satellite signal to the LNB...

Great Post!!! Thanx

if i point at amc-6 with factory bin and blind scan it
are you saying i can get some comcast channels??
actually fta??
if this is so i will get 30" dish and correct lnb
does anybody know how many channels are available??

thanks for any help:cool:

I get 6224 channels bro and I'm near texas.
But im special, I float my dish on a balloon to avoid the trees.
Just make sure you DON'T buy a universal if you want something far away.
My dish is bigger than your dish! NANANANA!
I use the qph-031 and it locks in the distant stuff nicely.
Got dish? Or is it a birdfeeder yet?

if i point at amc-6 with factory bin and blind scan it
are you saying i can get some comcast channels??
actually fta??
if this is so i will get 30" dish and correct lnb
does anybody know how many channels are available??

thanks for any help:cool:
Take a look at lyngsat.com and you'll see what's on that satellite.

Galaxy 10R has more "standard" programming from WB, UPN, RTN, FOX and ABC (plus a ton of Spanish channels).

A 30" dish might work but 36" would be better.

I get 6224 channels bro and I'm near texas.
But im special, I float my dish on a balloon to avoid the trees.
Just make sure you DON'T buy a universal if you want something far away.
My dish is bigger than your dish! NANANANA!
I use the qph-031 and it locks in the distant stuff nicely.
Got dish? Or is it a birdfeeder yet?

You get over 6,000 channels with a 31" dish???

I have a 18" dish if i upgrade to a 33" motor dish what lnbs would be best for this dish so i can get the best out of it. I am using a coolsat 5000. i get 110 and 119 now well i will when the new bin comes out. And is it worth it to upgrade?::D

You get over 6,000 channels with a 31" dish???
Yep and it took me a week to get rid of the ones i couldn't understand.
Trimmed it down to about 1200 either in the english language, or just too cool not to watch
I have a 18" dish if i upgrade to a 33" motor dish what lnbs would be best for this dish so i can get the best out of it. I am using a coolsat 5000. i get 110 and 119 now well i will when the new bin comes out. And is it worth it to upgrade?::D
If you want to get linear KU band yes, otherwise youre fine the way you are.
See, that coolsat together with a 31 inch dish and motor can pick a whole lot more than just 119 and 110.
A lot of the unencrypted stuff is pretty cool to watch.
Depends on your tastes.
I once dated a girl named Leslie, we met in a bar right after a battery exploded in my face. For days my ears would ring and I couldn't hear as good as I used to. In fact, the only reason I knew her name is because she shouted it so I could hear, then she said something about being deaf, so I told her about the battery that blew up while I was working on my dragster.This all cleared up in about a week, but in the mean time we kept dating. Finally one night she turns to me and asks when we can have sex. I said right now baby! We get to the motel, she starts stripping and I watch with delight. Then it's my turn, I turn around since im shy and start stripping.
When I turn to face her she screams and leaves the room.
I put my clothes on and find her crying on the steps, then ask.
Whats wrong Leslie?
She says, STOP calling me Leslie! My name is Linda!
I said hey im sorry my hearing was messed up.
She says oh forget it!
All I want to know is HOW a drag queen could do this to a deaf Lesbian!

Yep and it took me a week to get rid of the ones i couldn't understand.
Trimmed it down to about 1200 either in the english language, or just too cool not to watch

If you want to get linear KU band yes, otherwise youre fine the way you are.
See, that coolsat together with a 31 inch dish and motor can pick a whole lot more than just 119 and 110.
A lot of the unencrypted stuff is pretty cool to watch.
Depends on your tastes.
I once dated a girl named Leslie, we met in a bar right after a battery exploded in my face. For days my ears would ring and I couldn't hear as good as I used to. In fact, the only reason I knew her name is because she shouted it so I could hear, then she said something about being deaf, so I told her about the battery that blew up while I was working on my dragster.This all cleared up in about a week, but in the mean time we kept dating. Finally one night she turns to me and asks when we can have sex. I said right now baby! We get to the motel, she starts stripping and I watch with delight. Then it's my turn, I turn around since im shy and start stripping.
When I turn to face her she screams and leaves the room.
I put my clothes on and find her crying on the steps, then ask.
Whats wrong Leslie?
She says, STOP calling me Leslie! My name is Linda!
I said hey im sorry my hearing was messed up.
She says oh forget it!
All I want to know is HOW a drag queen could do this to a deaf Lesbian!
it would be nice to get more then 110 119 If i get a motor dish what lnds would be best.

Is there any porn in any languauge in the open channels. I have a 31" dish and HH90 motor I never did install. Now that my Pansat 3500sd is knoocking on heaven's door I need help. I see mostly religious channels.

it would be nice to get more then 110 119 If i get a motor dish what lnds would be best.

The Invacom QPH-031 quad lnb or the dual.

Thanks for the post thill1951 I take it with your information that you have so kindly provided that I should be able to get AMC-4 up here in southern Canada with a 30’ dish know problem am I correct. Also what would be the best LNB to use I have a Coolsat6000 with dsqswitch.

Thanks for the post thill1951 I take it with your information that you have so kindly provided that I should be able to get AMC-4 up here in southern Canada with a 30’ dish know problem am I correct. Also what would be the best LNB to use I have a Coolsat6000 with dsqswitch.

The Invacom (from what I've read) is the best and is what I'll be purchasing soon.

:yes:

So, if I use the c-band LNB what might I get with my Pansat 2700a? Also, waht might I get if I use a DTV LNB?
Just a old tester wondering!

So, if I use the c-band LNB what might I get with my Pansat 2700a? Also, waht might I get if I use a DTV LNB?
Just a old tester wondering!
Sorry, I am near Chicago>

Dtv is still circular, same as Dishnet.
Same type LNB same type channels and birds.

May I add, as a general requirement for true FTA, that you buy a receiver with a good blind scan capability. I don't have that on my Ariza Xtreme and I regret it. Now I've put a fortec Mercury on my Christmas list.

May I add, as a general requirement for true FTA, that you buy a receiver with a good blind scan capability.

I second that. Half the fun of true FTA is finding wild feeds, etc. Without blind scan it is very hard to go feed searching.

I also think that you should have a reciever with AC-3 output. There is nothing more irritating than finding a cool new channel / wild feed and not being able to hear the audio.

Only thing I hate about blind scan is, you can't see what youre doing.

Dont know if i am reading all this right,are you all saying,one can changed the dish 500 LNB to pick up true fta or changed the whole dish and LNB setup,i have 2 dish 500 dishes and a smaller direct TV dish and LNB,can any of these be used with new LNBs?
Currently running 2 pansat 2700s

You can still use your current dishes to pick up the audio channels, gol tv and nasa off of 119/110. To pick up linear FTA you will need at least a 30" dish and a Ku Linear LNBF. You cannot just change out the lnbs on your dish 500's for linear KU, the dishs are not big enough.

I have a fortec 36" dish and a megasat ms 1075 dual linear lnb will that work, and that lnb is it a standard or universal.

I think that will do FINE ! :)
On Ku band the signal is not strong , and that's why you need that kind of a
large antenna . Lots of FREE channels there .

I'm using a starchoice 33" dish, it's not completely round, it's more like 33"wide and 34.5" high. Do you posters think this will work, I'm in atlantic canada.:unsure:

I'm using a starchoice 33" dish, it's not completely round, it's more like 33"wide and 34.5" high. Do you posters think this will work, I'm in atlantic canada.


That should work for a lot of the sats out there, as long as it is a linear LNBF on it. I used a 76 cm dish for quite a while (in northern NY), while able to get most TP's there were a few lower powered ones that as soon as a bird flew overhead I lost signal.

I'm very new to this the whole TrueFta subject, just barely know how to set it up my dish for b3v & dN. Is it at all possible to set up something other than those two birds with standard equipment VS Plat & 18" dish?

I'm very new to this the whole TrueFta subject, just barely know how to set it up my dish for b3v & dN. Is it at all possible to set up something other than those two birds with standard equipment VS Plat & 18" dish?

Sorry to say, but your dish and LNBF will not work for true fta. You will need to have at least a 30" dish and Linear LNBF (you now have a circular LNBF). Your reciever will work fine for true FTA.

Little bit lost in lnb, i know circular and linear but
1.what's the difference between a standard and universal lnb?
2.What's lnbf ?

Viewing requirements for "True" FTA ....a c/p

There have been alot of questions lately about what's on other satellites besides Dish and BELL. Here are some things to remember about watching true FTA.

Your 18" or 20" dish with Direct TV/Dish/ LNB will not work! For one thing, the dish is too small to pick up the lower frequency signals from the FTA sats. Secondly, the Dish/ LNB is for 12.2-12.7 GHz circular (right-left) polarity. Ku FTA sats require 11.7-12.2 GHz linear (horizontal-vertical) polarity. C-band sats require a C-band LNB. Using your Dish Net LNB for FTA is like trying to tune into AM stations on an FM radio.

Some satellites, such as Galaxy 10R and Telstar 5, have both C-band and Ku-band capability. This does not mean that you can use a Ku dish to get C-band signals or vice-versa. Listed below are the dish requirements for each satellite and/or band allocation.

Here's the lowdown on various FTA sats and what's needed to get them:

..................................................
30" Dish, Ku Linear LNB (4-foot dish in Alaska/Hawaii/Canada/Carribbean) :LOF1/2 = 10750

Galaxy 13 (127W) : Chinese Channels

Galaxy 10R (123W) : UPN , WB, Fox, CBS, ABC Affiliates from Little Rock, Cheyenne, Burlington, Virgin Islands, and others; Pentagon Channel; STEP Star Education Network; KBS America; Univision and Telemundo affiliates; The Tube; Mas Musica; Veterans Affairs; radio stations

AMC-1 (103W) : NBC feeds (these are sporadic and you'll need a blind search receiver to find them)

AMC-4 (101W) : Religious channels; Foreign Channels; Lawyers TV; RTP

Telstar 5 (97W) : Daystar TV; Globecast; hundreds of Foreign TV and radio channels.

Telstar 6 (93W) : CBS and ABC feeds (need blind search receiver); Lord & Taylor

AMC-3 (87W) : PBS stations (requires AC3 audio capability)This sat is not available in Alaska/Hawaii

AMC-5 (79W) : Utah Educational Network; Empire Sports Network This sat is not available in Alaska/Hawaii

SBS-6 (74W): Ohio News Network This sat is not available in Alaska/Hawaii

AMC-6 (72W) : Comcast Southeast This sat is not available in Alaska/Hawaii



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C-band 7 to 12-foot dish and LNB :
LOF1/2 = 5150

AMC-8 (139W) : PBS affiliate from Fairbanks; ARCS (programming from Anchorage network affiliates for rural Alaska residents); University of Alaska telecourses; Gavel to Gavel Alaska This sat is not available in Canadian Maritimes

AMC-7 (137W) : Anchorage local stations This sat is not available in Canadian Maritimes

AMC-10 (135W) : Tech TV (requires AC3 audio capability) This sat is not available in Canadian Maritimes

Galaxy 1R (133W) : California Channel This sat is not available in Canadian Maritimes

Satcom C3 (131W) : Bloomberg TV (requires AC3 audio) This sat is not available in Canadian Maritimes

Galaxy 13 (127W) : RFD-TV This sat is not available in Newfoundland

Galaxy 10R (123W) : Outdoor Channel

Telstar 13 (121W) : Fuse; STC (requires AC3 audio capability); TV Washington; Sportsman Channel; Q TV Network (gay and lesbian channel, requires AC3 audio capability)

Anik F1 (107W) : CTV network (requires 8PSK capable receiver); ASN; Newsworld International; French channels

AMC-1 (103W) : Pax feeds; XYTV (requires AC3 audio capability), religious channels

AMC-4 (101W) : NBC network feeds; religious channels, UCTV

Galaxy 4 (99W) : Religious channels

Telstar 5 (97W) : TCT World, Urban America TV; BYU TV

Galaxy 3C (95W) : Voice of America TV; Horse racing channels; Equity network feeds

Telstar 6 (93W) : CBS Network Feeds (blind search required); CBS HD network feeds (must use HD-capable DVB-S card)

Galaxy 11 (91W) : WB network feeds; Independent stations from L.A.; Fox Movie Channel; EWTN

AMC-3 (87W) : Associated Press; Michigan Gov't; TVU This sat is not available in Alaska/Hawaii

For more detailed info on frequencies, symbol rates, and PIDs, visit www.lyngsat. com


Very good information !!:beer: :beer:

Good info,i like this tread!!

That should work for a lot of the sats out there, as long as it is a linear LNBF on it. I used a 76 cm dish for quite a while (in northern NY), while able to get most TP's there were a few lower powered ones that as soon as a bird flew overhead I lost signal.

i have a Supperdish and it's wide enough but not quite tall enough,i just wounder if it will work at all ?

I second that. Half the fun of true FTA is finding wild feeds, etc. Without blind scan it is very hard to go feed searching.

I also think that you should have a reciever with AC-3 output. There is nothing more irritating than finding a cool new channel / wild feed and not being able to hear the audio.
Witch receiver have this option?? (brand name and model please !)

I rock with Pansat 2700a and 33"dish+linear lnb,does this receive has it ?? if not what do you sudjest............Tank you :unsure: :unsure:
PS: I also play with fortecStar and pantec (clone unit)

Your pansat has ac-3 out, as do many of the newer recievers.

Your pansat has ac-3 out, as do many of the newer recievers.


Tank you for your respound.

Your pansat has ac-3 out, as do many of the newer recievers.

I need to clarify this. Your pansat will pass (with the proper cables) the ac-3 signal to an ac-3 compatable decoder. Without a ac-3 decoder you will not hear audo from your pansat.

Many newer audio/video recievers will decode ac-3, as will some other devices such as the creative labs extigy. The Extigy is a stand alone PCI soundcard that does not need a computer hooked up to it to produce ac-3 audio out of any reciever, or you can even listen plug in a set of sourround sound computer speakers to output dolby digital quality sound.

To re-cap, you will need an ac-3 compatable decoder to hear any AC-3 audio out of your pansat, or any STB that passes ac-3 signals.

I need to clarify this. Your pansat will pass (with the proper cables) the ac-3 signal to an ac-3 compatable decoder. Without a ac-3 decoder you will not hear audo from your pansat.

Many newer audio/video recievers will decode ac-3, as will some other devices such as the creative labs extigy. The Extigy is a stand alone PCI soundcard that does not need a computer hooked up to it to produce ac-3 audio out of any reciever, or you can even listen plug in a set of sourround sound computer speakers to output dolby digital quality sound.

To re-cap, you will need an ac-3 compatible decoder to hear any audio out of your pansat, or any STB that passes ac-3 signals.

So what you are telling me is that my pansat 2700a will not do the job with out a "AC-3 decoder.

Off your knowledge what kind of decoder is compatible with my beast (Pansat 2700a) or if any body do know what i need to get this problem solve ??<_<

Look for a Creative Labs Extigy External USB sound card . It will do what you want to do. It's designed to be USB connected to PC but can work just as well with simply an optical cable from your Pansat , then out of the Creative labs box to some powered speakers. Google it up, and find out details.

Look for a ve Labs Extigy creative External USB sound card . It will do what you want to do. It's designed to be USB connected to PC but can work just as well with simply an optical cable from your Pansat , then out of the Creative labs box to some powered speakers. Google it up, and find out details.

Tank for the info.
Just to make sure: you guys know that pansat 2700a has speaker option on the back panel ! this is not compatible ?
I will go to google and search, but how much is that Extigy creative external USB sound card money wise $$$ ??

hxxp://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=44825 is my source for the information on the external card. I don't have a Pansat so I can't speak from firsthand experience.

hxxp://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=44825 is my source for the information on the external card. I don't have a Pansat so I can't speak from firsthand experience.


Tank you for your reply !! :beer:

Or maybe not. I just remembered a Toroidal needs a reverse polarity LNB because of the extra reflection. Damn. I wonder if there is a big enough market for a reverse polarity version?

One uses the Invacom on a motorized setup...why would you need it on a fixed-dish system? I'd just get multiple LNBs each in the correct polarization with a Toroidal dish. Since it's not made for motorization anyway.

It's not like you'd ever have to pick between circ/linear on the same bird at the same time, anyway.

I'm having trouble configuring the antenna settings to receive linear sats, are there posts or sites besides lyngsat that has this info? I have been trying to figure out lyngsat for linear for a long time with no luck.

Northeast US
vs extreme
vs platinum
36" dish
Invacom QPH-031 LNBF
motor

camus, a good rule of thumb is that unless you are pointing at one of the following (61.5W, 82W, 91W, 110W, 119W, 129W, 148W) you're going to be receiving LINEAR. 118.8W is CIRCULAR as well but on FSS band, so selecting LINEAR/FSS frequencies works well enough with a big dish.

I set my similar setup this way: Invacom-Linear to Diseqc 1, Invacom-Circular to Diseqc 2. Diseqc Output to Motor "LNB" connection. Motor "STB" connection to the box. Viewsat is, from what I understand, pretty bad at controlling a motor for what that's worth.

I'm having trouble configuring the antenna settings to receive linear sats, are there posts or sites besides lyngsat that has this info? I have been trying to figure out lyngsat for linear for a long time with no luck.

Northeast US
vs extreme
vs platinum
36" dish
Invacom QPH-031 LNBF
motor
With the Invacom lnb, for circular sats use 11250 as LO freq.
for linear sats use 10750 as LO freq when you setup your antenna page. I , too, have my linear side cabled to Diseqc 1 and circular side cable to Diseqc 2 . I use 2 switches to feed two stbs. Only one stb connects to the motor for control.
:)

I got four ird's sharing my motor's circular & linear feeds, and one ird controling the motor. works really well :) these are really nice lnb's I got another on order

I love my Invacom LNBF, I might get a few more for other dishes I have.

http://www.dvbhardware.com/product_info.php?products_id=55 has them for $40 instead of $80-$120 I've seen other sites, I bought mine from there and it's great.

They're always out of stock, though.

Just remember that for each linear sat you program in that you need to set lo to 10750 or you'll get nothing.
Set your lnb type to standard.

hi i have a few ? about this subject...i have a vs-9000hd and it claims it has Audio: AC3, SPDIF (Optical) and i was woundering if it will work the 2ed ? i have is i have a 36 inch dish but the lnb holder is like the old style dss lnb that is square style with the bolt and i like to get the Invacom QUAD Satellite LNB but my delma is i need some kind of adptor to conect this lnb to the arm of the dish.....i was thinking of a Magic bracket 3 the center of it should be abull to hold this lnb ? and i have the SG2100 H-H Motor on it's way

AMC-7 (137W) : Anchorage local stations This sat is not available in Canadian Maritimes

The Anchorage MUX has been scrambled (Compel) for a while now. Might want to remove it from the list.

I found an old primestarr dish today,my question is wil it work as is or do i nee a different lnb?and

what motors are best/easiest to use?
thanks for any advice

What size is the dish?
If the dish is bent, warped or if it has a lot of surface imperfections such as dings or dents, then it should be put in the trash.

Will it work??? I dunno. The size dish that you will need depends on what part of the world you are located in and what satellites you are trying to get,

Dish motors for the KU band are another broad subject. One of the most popular entry level motor is a SG 2100. If you want a good quality motor, then get a Stab.
You may want to start your own thread on this. EB

I found an old primestarr dish today,my question is wil it work as is or do i nee a different lnb?and

what motors are best/easiest to use?
thanks for any advice


RTN which is KU on 95W used to send them out for the subscription service, so I would guess it must be 30+ inches.

it looks like 4 foot with just tree stuff on it ,i also got an extra lnb.doesnt look to be damaged.i read something on the polarity for fta.just vertical i think but i wil try and let everyone know .thank you for the input on wich motor to try/use ,i have no ideal.
looks like it may be a fun prodject.

Right now, I have a CW 700s with a 110/119 dish and a separate bev paper weight still connected. I just have the feeling dn\bev are going the way of the doe-doe for testers..

So what I want to do is add true FTA. There's a couple stores in town with 36" and 39" (which will be tight since i measured on 20" from the center of mast/tripod I want to use to the patio wall, the bev dish is on there now) dishes in stock. How big do I really need in the London Ontaro area?

I want to get Galaxy 10R, and possible add a motor later to get more stuff. So as far as I can tell, I basically mount and aim the dish at Galaxy 10R and connect to the DiSEqC, scan and go? or am I missing something?

And if i add a motor do that go inline with the cable to the linear LNFB or need it's own DiSEqC line and external power supply?

thanks

I can't say for sure how big you need for Ontario.
Would recommend the 39" (seems always bigger is better) - although the accuracy of the dish shape is very important too.
I personally use an old fibreglass primestar 30" x 40" - which works very well for the weaker linear sats. Maybe you can find a used one - but would be tight fit for your patio (lol).

Aim at Galaxy 10R (now called Galaxy 18) at 123°W and connect to the diseqc and scan - sounds correct. You will need to set your antenna settings to match the lnb (usually linear is LO freq 10750 - unless you have universal).
Also when aiming the dish without a motor the lnb needs to be skewed (rotated in it mounting collar) to match the angle of the satellite - this aligns the lnb with the horizontal & vertical polarized signals.

If a motor is added - the motor gets it's power from the RG6 satellite cable. Cable should go : receiver -> motor -> diseqc -> LNB(s).

note: after installing a motor the linear LNB skew should be set to 0 (no skew) 'cos the motor arm angle takes care of the skew.

Most P*'s work fine for True FTA, you need both polarities, many P* lnb's are single polarity. A lot of them will have a c120 flange that will allow a FSS lnb off a Superdish to bolt right up, otherwise a standard LINEAR lnb with a 40mm throat will fit.

I can't say for sure how big you need for Ontario.
Would recommend the 39" (seems always bigger is better) - although the accuracy of the dish shape is very important too.
I personally use an old fibreglass primestar 30" x 40" - which works very well for the weaker linear sats. Maybe you can find a used one - but would be tight fit for your patio (lol).

Aim at Galaxy 10R (now called Galaxy 18) at 123°W and connect to the diseqc and scan - sounds correct. You will need to set your antenna settings to match the lnb (usually linear is LO freq 10750 - unless you have universal).
Also when aiming the dish without a motor the lnb needs to be skewed (rotated in it mounting collar) to match the angle of the satellite - this aligns the lnb with the horizontal & vertical polarized signals.

If a motor is added - the motor gets it's power from the RG6 satellite cable. Cable should go : receiver -> motor -> diseqc -> LNB(s).

note: after installing a motor the linear LNB skew should be set to 0 (no skew) 'cos the motor arm angle takes care of the skew.




in the past i've helped setup a couple of the old starchoice dish's 36 X 38 .. size wise they work fine here in nova scotia .. and you can find them free at the side of the road in the spring cleanup .. :)

I live in the portland oregon area and want to know what is the best bare bones setup to receive 123w. I have a viewsat plat 2k, a cw600p and a cnx trio, so I think I've got the stb situation covered, I just need to know what is the cheapest lnb and dish setup.
Thanks in advance, Steve.

one 36-40 inch dish $40,one dual linear or universal lnb $15,one diseqc switch $10,only one sat so loop the 3rd receiver,and some rg6 cable.free tv, priceless..........

You get what you pay for.
You can get a linear lnb that is made in China for about 10 dollars.
You can get a 30 inch no name dish for under 50 dollars.
A 30 inch dish will not work very well when it is raining. Plus the no name dishes do not have any specifications, so you have no idea what you are really getting. Some of these 30 inch dishes are not actually 30 inches. They measure the valley of the dish pan and include that in the 30 inches. The way that they get by with this is they do not mention the dish being 30 inches in diameter. They just advertise the dish as being 30 inches and let you assume that the number is the diameter.

http://www.worldwidesatellites.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22_65

If you will look in the link, you will find a Wineguard 1 meter dish. This dish is over 100 dollars, but it has good specifications and its tolerances in manufacturing are closely watched. The Wineguard piece is well built and it should last over a decade. The material that it is made out of does not warp easily under normal use.
A 1 meter dish will give you some protection from rain fade.
A good quality linear lnb and 1 Wineguard 1 meter dish is a decent setup for most of the KU linear birds. EB

I live in the portland oregon area and want to know what is the best bare bones setup to receive 123w. I have a viewsat plat 2k, a cw600p and a cnx trio, so I think I've got the stb situation covered, I just need to know what is the cheapest lnb and dish setup.
Thanks in advance, Steve.

Cheapest would probably be finding a used dish + lnb.
I have found craigslist sometimes has what you want.
Some folks are happy to have you take them off their roof for free.
My used primestar cost me $20 - and had to buy a multiswitch to get both H & V polarities on 1 cable - another $15. It works very well for FTA.

THe local store I've been looking at dishes are carry Digiwaze LNB's and dishes. I'm guessing those are at the low end then?

The extreme low end dishes will have little or no information with them. Some of them will not have any kind of a company name.

Digiwave is a company and they probably make decent products. Check their spec sheets on the dishes before you buy them. If you have problems reading the specs or have some parts that you do not understand, then post your questions. Maybe somebody will know and be able to explain them to you.

Actual Specs do not mean a lot, but they should reflect what some guy was able to get in a lab somewhere under ideal conditions They should also tell what kind of material the dish is made of and the thickness of its steel. Generally, heavier dishes are better built, so pay attention to the dish weight.

I should have said the LNB's are Digiwave, but the dish appear to be bought in bulk. THe dishes are stacked against the way and the hardware in in plain boxes. I'm going to do more checking before I do buy one, I sure don't want something that's going to fall apart in the next big wind..

Viewing requirements for "True" FTA ....a c/p

There have been alot of questions lately about what's on other satellites besides Dish and BELL. Here are some things to remember about watching true FTA.

Your 18" or 20" dish with Direct TV/Dish/ LNB will not work! For one thing, the dish is too small to pick up the lower frequency signals from the FTA sats. Secondly, the Dish/ LNB is for 12.2-12.7 GHz circular (right-left) polarity. Ku FTA sats require 11.7-12.2 GHz linear (horizontal-vertical) polarity. C-band sats require a C-band LNB. Using your Dish Net LNB for FTA is like trying to tune into AM stations on an FM radio.

Some satellites, such as Galaxy 10R and Telstar 5, have both C-band and Ku-band capability. This does not mean that you can use a Ku dish to get C-band signals or vice-versa. Listed below are the dish requirements for each satellite and/or band allocation.

Here's the lowdown on various FTA sats and what's needed to get them:

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30" Dish, Ku Linear LNB (4-foot dish in Alaska/Hawaii/Canada/Carribbean) :LOF1/2 = 10750

Galaxy 13 (127W) : Chinese Channels

Galaxy 10R (123W) : UPN , WB, Fox, CBS, ABC Affiliates from Little Rock, Cheyenne, Burlington, Virgin Islands, and others; Pentagon Channel; STEP Star Education Network; KBS America; Univision and Telemundo affiliates; The Tube; Mas Musica; Veterans Affairs; radio stations

AMC-1 (103W) : NBC feeds (these are sporadic and you'll need a blind search receiver to find them)

AMC-4 (101W) : Religious channels; Foreign Channels; Lawyers TV; RTP

Telstar 5 (97W) : Daystar TV; Globecast; hundreds of Foreign TV and radio channels.

Telstar 6 (93W) : CBS and ABC feeds (need blind search receiver); Lord & Taylor

AMC-3 (87W) : PBS stations (requires AC3 audio capability)This sat is not available in Alaska/Hawaii

AMC-5 (79W) : Utah Educational Network; Empire Sports Network This sat is not available in Alaska/Hawaii

SBS-6 (74W): Ohio News Network This sat is not available in Alaska/Hawaii

AMC-6 (72W) : Comcast Southeast This sat is not available in Alaska/Hawaii



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C-band 7 to 12-foot dish and LNB :
LOF1/2 = 5150

AMC-8 (139W) : PBS affiliate from Fairbanks; ARCS (programming from Anchorage network affiliates for rural Alaska residents); University of Alaska telecourses; Gavel to Gavel Alaska This sat is not available in Canadian Maritimes

AMC-7 (137W) : Anchorage local stations This sat is not available in Canadian Maritimes

AMC-10 (135W) : Tech TV (requires AC3 audio capability) This sat is not available in Canadian Maritimes

Galaxy 1R (133W) : California Channel This sat is not available in Canadian Maritimes

Satcom C3 (131W) : Bloomberg TV (requires AC3 audio) This sat is not available in Canadian Maritimes

Galaxy 13 (127W) : RFD-TV This sat is not available in Newfoundland

Galaxy 10R (123W) : Outdoor Channel

Telstar 13 (121W) : Fuse; STC (requires AC3 audio capability); TV Washington; Sportsman Channel; Q TV Network (gay and lesbian channel, requires AC3 audio capability)

Anik F1 (107W) : CTV network (requires 8PSK capable receiver); ASN; Newsworld International; French channels

AMC-1 (103W) : Pax feeds; XYTV (requires AC3 audio capability), religious channels

AMC-4 (101W) : NBC network feeds; religious channels, UCTV

Galaxy 4 (99W) : Religious channels

Telstar 5 (97W) : TCT World, Urban America TV; BYU TV

Galaxy 3C (95W) : Voice of America TV; Horse racing channels; Equity network feeds

Telstar 6 (93W) : CBS Network Feeds (blind search required); CBS HD network feeds (must use HD-capable DVB-S card)

Galaxy 11 (91W) : WB network feeds; Independent stations from L.A.; Fox Movie Channel; EWTN

AMC-3 (87W) : Associated Press; Michigan Gov't; TVU This sat is not available in Alaska/Hawaii

For more detailed info on frequencies, symbol rates, and PIDs, visit www.lyngsat. com

hello everyone i have a big dish i thenk its a 39 inch dish i
would like to know what kind of lnb i need to get 123 west
and other sat's here is some photos of my dish
thank you for all your help.

http://rapidshare.com/files/161313251/123_West_1024.pdf

Download the file in the link. It will help you understand 123 and the other FTA birds. EB

I need to clarify this. Your pansat will pass (with the proper cables) the ac-3 signal to an ac-3 compatable decoder. Without a ac-3 decoder you will not hear audo from your pansat.

Many newer audio/video recievers will decode ac-3, as will some other devices such as the creative labs extigy. The Extigy is a stand alone PCI soundcard that does not need a computer hooked up to it to produce ac-3 audio out of any reciever, or you can even listen plug in a set of sourround sound computer speakers to output dolby digital quality sound.

To re-cap, you will need an ac-3 compatable decoder to hear any AC-3 audio out of your pansat, or any STB that passes ac-3 signals.

Does anyone know of a list of stb's that do have the decoder in them?

Any HD stb will decode the AC-3 audio .
Examples:
AZbox HD Elite
Coolsat 8000/8100
Pansat 9000
Pansat 9200
Sonicview SV8000
Diamond 9000
:)

So then it is probably safe to say that the older Coolsats like the 5000 /6000 and Nfusion nova probably would not. How would that be possible since the original purpose of these stb's were originally manufactured for true fta? If they would not receive the video and audio, what good would they be? Please do not get me wrong as I am not at all contradicting what was said in the earlier posts, just wondering what purpose they would serve if they did not do what they were intended to do. I guess i'm a whole lot confused LOL Thank you for your replys...I appreciate it <_<

The HD receivers work because they have to be connected to a HD television. HD televisions can handle AC3 or digital audio.

Look for a S/PDIF port on the back of your receiver. This port is needed to connect the digital audio to a digital capable receiver.Different receivers have different S/PDIF ports. Most of the newer receivers have an optical audio port. The audio signal on these is transmitted using light. EB

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPDIF

Ahh ok, Now I think I am getting it. Both them receivers have a S /PDIF rca jack. I also have a Hitachi HD tv. Do you think I could receive the audio along with video? Thank you very much for the reply..

That is the idea--to receive the audio along with the video.

If you have a HD tv, look closely at its connections. Most HD tvs should have a digital audio OUT port.
The OUT port will not help you, but if your HD tv has a digital IN port then possibly all you would need to do is connect your S/PDIF out on the receiver to the digital audio IN on the tv. It is worth looking at as compared to spending the money for a new digital audio receiver. I have not seen a HD tv with a digital audio IN port, but maybe there is a model somewhere that has one. EB

It isn't that the frequency of the signals is too low, it is the power of the signal is too low; like 10 watts (C band) instead of 100+ watts. The other issue is spacing of the satellites. The smaller the dish the more of the sky it sees, hence the 9 degrees spacing for DBS. Whereas a 12' dish would have no trouble seeing only one satellite with 3 degree spacing.
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Very informative ! Thank you. makes it easier for me to explain when i'm asked. :beer::beer:

Been reading this since I got back from the deserts in the middle east.
I would like to put the old pantec mulitstar back to use. Been awhile since I've farted around with it. I think it was upg to the pansat 2700 firmware before I got shipped out.
From reading it seems that the dish and LNB's I have from the couple years ago for the hacked Charlie sat programming won't work. Okay got that.
So will this receiver work if I get new dish and standard lnb for TRUE FTA ?
As for the audio I can only find on the net that it has
Digital Audio Output (SPDIF)
so not sure that audio is workable. Is it ?

Still confused tho on the LNB(s) I would need. Don't sleep much so like to flip through as many stations as possible so what would be best. The qph-031 ?
And what is better Ku or C band and do I need to pick which band ?

THanks
Lcpl M

The lnb rule is easy.
All pay tv (Dish Network, DTV and BEV) use circular lnb.

And everything else (fta) uses linear (standard or universal) lnb. The standard linear lnb was developed for the US market, and the universal lnb was developed for the european market (or so I have read).

Large c/ku band lnb have a plexiglass insert which fits into the feedhorn to convert the lnb from circular to linear.