Hello,

Are they the same crystals on the Atmegas and the - ISO Programmers -> 3.6864 MHz crystal?


If so, is it possible to replace the DAVE’s HU loader’s chip with an Atmega’s crystal and use it as Dish Crystal programmer?

Any help is appreciated.

I am not sure if it is practical to convert it or not. If you like a challenge and just want to try and do it for personal satisfaction, then I guess maybe it is something that you should do.

But the thing is, as cheap as the Dish ISO programmers are, under $50 in most cases, why bother screwing around and taking the chance of looping a Rom card? It is always best to have a programmer that was designed and built to do the specific job you want it for.

That said, if this is a project that you really want to do, then "Go for it". I enjoy projects like this too, but I am pretty careful about which projects I tackle. Doing these kinds of things is fun and very rewardng personally, but I also have a "real" ISO programmer that I use when I need to.

i have have read cams with the hu loader in fact cams for the 3000 and rom 2 cams you can use with the hu loader with the echoloader software only and read only that is how i get boxkeys from locked cards
echoloader is a dos program

I have heard of that too, and I have also heard of people who looped their cards doing it. I know there are people who are using old HU loaders to do their Dish cards and many other types of programmers as well. And if it works, that's great. All I am saying is that using something that was not intended for Dish Network cards CAN give you some problems. But if you are willing to take the risk, then what can I say? By all means, do what you feel is best for you. If you feel comfortable using a HU loader for Dish cards, then that is what you should use. I am not trying to talk you out of it. Honest, I'm not.

Hello,

Are they the same crystals on the Atmegas and the - ISO Programmers -> 3.6864 MHz crystal?


If so, is it possible to replace the DAVE’s HU loader’s chip with an Atmega’s crystal and use it as Dish Crystal programmer?

Any help is appreciated.

Not they are not the same, Atmega's crystal is anywhere 16.000 mhz to 20.000 mhz.

Guys,
I really want to pursue this “project”.

I just found out that my 3 in 1 HU loader is upgradeable. The chip on top comes off and can be replaced with another one.
The chip reads: ATMEL 0127
AT90S2313-10PC

It has 20 pins(legs) – 10 pins each side.

I wander IF I can go to Ratshak or Fry’s and buy a 3.6864 MHz crystal and stick it in the socket and test it.

So I need the following info for Dish ISO Programmers 3.6864 MHz crystal:

1. When you say a “crystal”, do you actually mean the chip on top of the Dish ISO Programmer’s board?
2. How many pins (legs) does it have?
3. what does it read on the top of the chip(crystal if it’s the same thing)?


I appreciate your time and help.

Crystals have two leads, sometimes three, but if it has three leads then the third lead is just a ground for the metal crystal case.

Most crystals are marked on the top, or on the side, with the frequency of the crystal. I doubt that Radio Shack will have that particular crystal.

Do what you feel is best for you, but I strongly urge you to just buy an ISO programmer all set up for Dish Network and forget all this modification stuff. Yes, you can probably get it to work if you do enough modifying to the HU loader. But even if you do get it going, what have you really gained? With the new ISO programmers available for a modest price, why does anyone want to fool around with this stuff.

I understand that some people enjoy tinkering around with this stuff. That's great. I cannot fault anyone for that. But in my opinion, if you want to experiment with this stuff, I suggest experimenting with "new ideas" and not just modifying old stuff.

When you are done with the modification, all you will have is an old HU loader that can be used for Dish Network. You will have spent all the time, effort and money needed to get it working and for just a few dollars more you could have a brand state of the art ISO programmer that is small, efficient and very fast working. And with a brand new state of the art ISO programmer your chances of looping a Rom card would be very small.

That's my opinion for what it's worth. If you decide to do the modification, then I wish you all the luck in the world. It's not something I would do, but as they say, "Different strokes for different folks".

Thanks.

If you decide to try and convert this, please let us know how it turns out. I would like to know and I am quite certain others here would as well.

Won't work, the HU loader you are refering to is a H Unlooper, it has a 18.432Mhz crystal and if you change it it won't work at all. Now, you can flash the atmel chip to be able to use it as an ISO programer but it still won't be the right frequency. The atmel chips are the 20 pin AT2313 and are the same thing as a smart card, it has a microprocessor, rom, and eeprom. best bet is to buy ISO programer. just my $.02