now I just need to find the 2800 loader file. You must first go into your 2800A box and delete all your channles from your sattelites then you go and do a factory reset you open your gtrom loader and, here is the step I missed, you download a loader file (which I am still looking for) and once that is done you go back and download the current bin (which right now is 412) using the same gtrom loader. I hope this helps out someone else out there and if anyone has a link to where I canfind this file PLEASE in the mean time I will continue looking. ;)