hey guys i am thinking about getting an Nfusion receiver since dish is switching to n3. is it safe because i kno you have to be connected to the internet 24/7. also does any one know how the other recievers will react to the change because i currently have a viewsat ultra; im thinking they will all just have a black screen. Will Nfusion still show dish after the switch?

No one can answer your question about the nfusion working dish after n3. Lots of folks are using nfusion and watching be* n3 channels for now and dish is going to be around for a couple of months so the choice is yours as to what to do. Safe? Lots of negative thoughts on this, lots of positive thoughts on this and being connected to internet 24/7 is not exactly what's needed. Only need to be connected when using nfusion. Keep reading around on some other sites before you decide. Just make sure you purchase your stb from an authorized dealer.

It's as safe as letting your children play with lit dynamite indoors. You make the call.

Not only is it not safe, it could have a multitude of consequences.:yes:

thanks everyone. I have read alot about the nfusion and am having second thoughts about it. I will just hold out until dish completes its change and see what happens then

hey guys i am thinking about getting an Nfusion receiver since dish is switching to n3. is it safe because i kno you have to be connected to the internet 24/7. also does any one know how the other recievers will react to the change because i currently have a viewsat ultra; im thinking they will all just have a black screen. Will Nfusion still show dish after the switch?

The nFusion receivers are the BEST around right now and Yes it is Safe even tho your connected 24/7 . Most of these people on here are gonna tell you crap on here about it cause there receivers cant do what the nfusion can do and that is to Stay Up 24/7 and Yes nFusion WILL still run and Run great when N3 completely takes over

For The Rest of you nFusion Haters :grr::grr:

The nFusion receivers are the BEST around right now and Yes it is Safe even tho your connected 24/7 . Most of these people on here are gonna tell you crap on here about it cause there receivers cant do what the nfusion can do and that is to Stay Up 24/7 and Yes nFusion WILL still run and Run great when N3 completely takes over

For The Rest of you nFusion Haters :grr::grr:

just because you're ignorant doesn't mean you should go around lying to members here

The nFusion receivers are the BEST around right now and Yes it is Safe even tho your connected 24/7 . Most of these people on here are gonna tell you crap on here about it cause there receivers cant do what the nfusion can do and that is to Stay Up 24/7 and Yes nFusion WILL still run and Run great when N3 completely takes over

For The Rest of you nFusion Haters :grr::grr:

I will tell you something:
Magic and Rotten Probably have more years of testing between them than you have lived. They are not jealous of anybody's equipment, so saying they are talking crap because the nFusion is so great is ludicrous.

Personally, I do not want a receiver hooked to the internet so I can watch tv illegally. This reminds me too much of the guy that wires cable tv to his house without paying and says the cable company will never know because they cannot trace it. A stand alone fta receiver is not hard-wired to anything. The nFusion receiver is connected to the internet.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion that IKS, SUNS or whatever you call it is safe, but I will listen to the old timers that have been down this road before and take their advice instead. EB

elo bandito is right he knows nothing and what is he doing here.playing with fire when you
hang around with evilmasteros

LOL playing with fire when hanging around me lol thats funny I know What the hell im talkin about

LOL playing with fire when hanging around me lol thats funny I know What the hell im talkin about

now that's funny
iks is as safe as using that old condom you found in your wallet :lol:

The nFusion receivers are the BEST around right now and Yes it is Safe even tho your connected 24/7 . Most of these people on here are gonna tell you crap on here about it cause there receivers cant do what the nfusion can do and that is to Stay Up 24/7 and Yes nFusion WILL still run and Run great when N3 completely takes over

For The Rest of you nFusion Haters :grr::grr:

LOL playing with fire when hanging around me lol thats funny I know What the hell im talkin about


If you know what you are talking about, then tell us why you are right and they are wrong.
Explain in detail the safety features of the nFusion system(if any) and how they work.

I would like someone, anyone, explain to me how using the nfusion is unsafe. A lot of people would like to know.

And please, "they can get your IP" is just ignorance.

One thing you can do with the Nfusion is to hook to internet get file downloaded, keys, etc. Once you get TV turn on the emulation and that disconnects IKS. As long as Dish doesn't change mecm's, keys, etc. emulation will work. But I would highly suggest using a proxy, and change it several times a week just in case. I don't have one but a friend of mine is giving me 2 and I'll try one out just to see if it works. Then I'll just put it aside with my Coolsat 4000, Blackbird, and DTV boxes just in case I need them. I run 102 and atmega's for TV and have quite a few friends that run Nfusion. One has had a Nova since they first came out and now has 3 of them. I just don't like the internet connection thing...

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=145316

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=145854

I would like someone, anyone, explain to me how using the nfusion is unsafe. A lot of people would like to know.

And please, "they can get your IP" is just ignorance.
There's a big difference between ignorance and stupidity. What's your excuse?

I definitely believe it can be traced back to you. If someone wanted to they can get your address and phone number if you simply click on a website. so since that is the case im not gonna get an nfusion box. Just imagine that dish created nfusion just to collect your IPs so they can bite you in the a**:D..I would surely avoid that :D



Happy Valentines day eveyone..Hope everyone has a valentine:D:beer:

There's a big difference between ignorance and stupidity. What's your excuse?


Okay, you start. Dish goes to court to seize the nfusion servers. Continue please...

Okay, you start. Dish goes to court to seize the nfusion servers. Continue please...

they get servers
they get ip's of those getting info from server
demand letters are sent out
all the sheeple cry for days on end

Who the hell are you talking about "THEY" who is they ? If your talkin about Dish Answer is NO They Can NOT Because the nfusion Servers Are NOT saving or sending your ip's out to DN or Anyone

And if that was the case you think they would already have caught me by now or anyone eles that has a nfusion

c/p from someone MUCH smarter than the posers here!

There are indeed "legit" reasons to be connected to nFusion ... all reasons are "legitimate" since there is no law that makes it illegitimate. The law doesn't operate like you think ... it is not illegal to own lock picks because the only legitimate reason for lock picks it to pick locks, it is illegal to own lock picks because there is a law stating that it is illegal to own lock picks ... there is as yet no such law in regards to IKS.

It is unlikely that anyone approaching a judge for a warrant based on a IP address being associated with IKS traffic would be given a warrant on the "evidence" of receiving something that was not illegal to receive. Other corroborating evidence would be needed.

With sites like this you could argue you were just surfing and reading say the computer or gaming forums etc but with the nFusion server there is no other use.

This is an argument that starts from a false premise, since it is unlikely that any judge would just give DN a warrant to generically monitor the whole Internet to gather IP addresses that either connected to IKS or FTA forums, then this issues i never likely to come up ... what is more likely is that the IKS server or an FTA server would be served with a warrant (assuming they could convince a judge in the proper jurisdiction ... unlikely, but possible) and the logs of which IP address received IKS traffic or downloaded bin files examined. Neither case has much of an "advantage" in terms of being presenting in front of a judge in order to get warrants to find further information on who owns the IP addresses.

As for hearing of anyone being busted by the time ANYONE hears of one case we will hear of THOUSANDS of cases. They, (the providers), would not divuldge this info until they were ready to move on many users... Much the same as by the time you were aware Dave had busted a dealer and gotten your info it was TOO late.

This is an argument that ignores the reality of what resources would be required in order to accomplish brining forward THOUSANDS of "cases". Unless this was just a "dear Dave" type letter (which would no longer work as there is no direct Credit Card type evidence as there was back in those cases of purchasing actual illegal hardware) then the resources to bring forward thousands of cases in many hundreds of jurisdictions would be enormous, and given the distinct possibility of those so charged with simply using the "pirates used my unsecured wireless network" excuse, then in order to actually have enough evidence to win any of these cases they would need to schedule thousands of law enforcement agents to go along with their thousands of lawyers to server search & seizure warrants ... never going to happen.

Now, they might attempt to do a small "scare" attack, where they go after a few dozen "low hanging fruit", but even if this had a short term effect of scaring some people away from IKS, the only thing that would need to be done would be for nFusion to provide a better proxy or VPN service, essentially pushing the IKS traffic into secure encrypted tunnels with which DN would have no way to attack anymore (making IKS far more safer than your traditional forums and bins BTW.)


With nFusion now doing Card Sharing they are a MUCH larger target for the providers than other brands which are not using Card Sharing....Why do you think the other brands which COULD do Card Sharing, (IE the Captain, K-Box, etc), haven't gone anywhere near it??? If one even discusses PUBLIC card sharing in a DB forum your thread is deleted immediately and you are banned from the forum.


They are "staying away from it" because they could not get it working properly.

PS....Hi woffy - waffle - whatever.

Who the hell are you talking about "THEY" who is they ? If your talkin about Dish Answer is NO They Can NOT Because the nfusion Servers Are NOT saving or sending your ip's out to DN or Anyone

all servers save ip's so unless you have access to that server you're not safe

You Can't Fix Stupid.........LMFAO...........

"The Smoking GUN"


I feel sorry for the Sheep...............


NOTE:

If its So "SAFE "ask Them
(anyone who SELLS This system)

If they will put that in writing that they will cover ANY and ALL Legal Fees if need be ..........

You Can't Fix Stupid.........LMFAO...........

"The Smoking GUN"


I feel sorry for the Sheep...............


You got that right. :D

I guess no one read sakeiscat post.

And no, not all server's save IP addresses. Hell in some parts of the world it is illegal for an ISP to save IP logs.

I guess no one read sakeiscat post.

And no, not all server's save IP addresses. Hell in some parts of the world it is illegal for an ISP to save IP logs.

Why would anyone bother to read a banned members idiotic c/p that's bs.

I guess no one read sakeiscat post.

And no, not all server's save IP addresses. Hell in some parts of the world it is illegal for an ISP to save IP logs.

And if that is your thought maybe you show think twice

I guess no one read sakeiscat post.

And no, not all server's save IP addresses. Hell in some parts of the world it is illegal for an ISP to save IP logs.

you're confused...very confused

public iks is not a bright idea. stay away if you can right now...2cents

public iks is not a bright idea. stay away if you can right now...2cents

It's not public, it's SUNS

It's not public, it's SUNS

Like I said Before yon can't fix Stupid.......

You can name it what you want.............

Its still a "Smoking Gun"

Like I said Before yon can't fix Stupid.......

You can name it what you want.............

Its still a "Smoking Gun"

Co..we can't fix stupid..but we have to try..:wacko:

they get servers
they get ip's of those getting info from server
demand letters are sent out
all the sheeple cry for days on end

OK, let's for the sake of argument just assume that they get the servers and obtain 100,000+ ip addresses. This could certainly happen, just as easily as it could happen that they get this server and obtain the logs of those download bin files, but again for the sake of argument, let's assume that only the IKS server is ever likely to be compromised and then we can continue on to examine the rest of your logic.

Step 2: "Demand letters are sent out" .

So, how exactly will this letter look? On the envelope will I see it addressed to:

To: 25.247.34.6 somewhere on this planet. (note: not a real IP address that I am aware of, just an example.)

So far this "sheeple" doesn't see the need to run out for a box of Kleenex just yet.

Care to elaborate on how DN goes from IP addresses to names and addresses? I know we are all just suppose to "understand" that this is just a given, but whenever I start to think about the DN lawyers making all those cases in front of all those judges against all those ISPs asking for information on all those people who may or may not actually be the people doing the actual piracy, it just doesn't seem all that clear to me how they will argue that case.

OK, let's for the sake of argument just assume that they get the servers and obtain 100,000+ ip addresses. This could certainly happen, just as easily as it could happen that they get this server and obtain the logs of those download bin files, but again for the sake of argument, let's assume that only the IKS server is ever likely to be compromised and then we can continue on to examine the rest of your logic.

Terbwoolf, just out of curiosity, are you a concerned but informed nFusion user, OR are you somebody like Matchstick but using a different nick? What dog do you have in this nFusion hunt?

With all of the information you have posted here, you should know how an ip address is tracked to the user.

It would also appear that the average nFusion user is taking more risks because his ip is logged at the nFusion server and then it is logged again when he downloads the bins for his nFusion, right????

To me, you can spin it any way you want it, but I see more risks with nFusion than I do with other receivers that use stand alone bins.
I would also suspect that you are spending so much time on these nFusion threads here at DSSTester because you stand to make a profit form nFusion.
Good Afternoon.
El Bandido

hey guys i am thinking about getting an Nfusion receiver since dish is switching to n3. is it safe because i kno you have to be connected to the internet 24/7. also does any one know how the other recievers will react to the change because i currently have a viewsat ultra; im thinking they will all just have a black screen. Will Nfusion still show dish after the switch?

thanks everyone. I have read alot about the nfusion and am having second thoughts about it. I will just hold out until dish completes its change and see what happens then

The Thread starter asked our opinions about his safety concerns of the nfusion..He decided not to go with one based on what was said here.

I see no point in continuing this..We had another thread that I closed because it was just beating a dead horse. Same as this one now.