c/p from another site ... just posting so people know


This is official news people no hear say BS. I have recently been sent an s02 card and i tested it out today and put it in a 301 id 13 with private keyset and everything works wide open including ppv. So this is the fist trusted 100 percent proof that another card is able to be opend and played with. I think this is a great day. Spread The word !!! I repeat s02 Running wide Open !!!!! Im just so excited to be able to give this type of news !!

thanx for info , I hope we get to see how it works:p

if its true
it will be great news

I'm curious what blocker is being run on this.

Ok,I found it edit.

How about some more info, like price? - do you program the card or do they? and which site?
chetsat

hhmmm....glued to my chair....sucks i used a few of them to solder chips to....but i still have a few...

That's sounds promising!!! I have a closet full of S02 and S04 cards. Now I can find better use for them instead of using them for coasters. lol :wow:

KB

Ooopss!! accidentally doubled posted. Me Bad!! :rolleyes:

KB

Alright I got a drawer full of these things.
I hope it goes public soon.

From what I've read they are running blockerless - and the last loop ecm a month or so ago looped blockerless cams...........sounds pretty risky to me........

From what I've read they are running blockerless - and the last loop ecm a month or so ago looped blockerless cams...........sounds pretty risky to me........


If the only thing they are good for right now are for coasters and ice scrappers, I don't see it at all as being a risk, I'd be more inclined to call them disposable.

From what I've read they are running blockerless - and the last loop ecm a month or so ago looped blockerless cams...........sounds pretty risky to me........

ya but really...even if they are only blockerless...and you loop em...who cares your still ahead of using them as coasters.....

I think we can call them disposable, running blockerless means replace them every ECM.

From what I have heard, they are blockerless and up until this point Charlie hasn't messed with them. There is a D2Cto get back in the card. It will take all of the updates and revs but to get back in to update or change anything you will need the D2C. The guys programming the cards right now have the
D2C to get back in. Toronto is doing them for $50, Spanish are doing it for $100. No warranty.

Check Ebay for the supply and demand. Prices will skyrocket!! :yes:

I have also heard that only the 102s and 103s are being replaced... If that is true and the S0s are able to be opened then that is great news!!! We will have to wait and see if all is true....

From what I've read they are running blockerless - and the last loop ecm a month or so ago looped blockerless cams...........sounds pretty risky to me........
Only Blockerless with a backdoor were looped :yes:

that's too bad... got a bunch of S01's that are still coasters!! :-(

mattster

I think we can call them disposable, running blockerless means replace them every ECM.

Been running with no blockers for months and never missed a beat during any ECM's.

Heard its showing up on other sites also. Heard from reliable sources that its true awhile back....lets hope it goes public soon.

Stryker1:yes:

I have also heard that only the 102s and 103s are being replaced... If that is true and the S0s are able to be opened then that is great news!!! We will have to wait and see if all is true....


true....but S0's are nag2....they will be coasters again soon....:mad:

hey i got 2 so2.s,,& 2 so4.s,,,what do you think

From what I've read they are running blockerless - and the last loop ecm a month or so ago looped blockerless cams...........sounds pretty risky to me........


DN looped peeps with the ghost provider mod on their blocklerless cams :o

DN looped peeps with the ghost provider mod on their blocklerless cams :o

those that didn't use ghost weren't looped though:D

well said yachtmd. ppl seems to confuse blockerless with ghost.

2 years ago the code to loop ghost was posted by mbate14 @ rtx
1 year later d1sh shut down rtx and took over the site database
then few months ago, d1sh send an ecm to loop the cards.

talk about lazyness at englewood. lol

I don't suppose anyone knows how these cards are opened? I have my doubts any 2313 based unlocker is opening them like the powersync or nexus. Perhaps they're using the new atmega88 based unlockers I've heard about.

any opinions?

May just require a faster chipset for the unlocker?

All I know is it is a reality no matter and I am sure now it is it won't last long without going public. IMO the only reason it is coming out now is because the pending card swap, So some one is going to be looking at making money for the hardware for these before it is out the door with the 102's. What good would it do to keep it private when there is more money to be made selling the equipment or chips or what ever it will take to make the s0's work.
TF

All I know is it is a reality no matter and I am sure now it is it won't last long without going public. IMO the only reason it is coming out now is because the pending card swap, So some one is going to be looking at making money for the hardware for these before it is out the door with the 102's. What good would it do to keep it private when there is more money to be made selling the equipment or chips or what ever it will take to make the s0's work.
TF

I agree. AFAIK, the SO cards are similar to Rom110 hack, which has checksumed codespace so no blockers and it is a limited hack. It will also be easy ECM target for providers once public, but cards will be swapped as well so what's the difference. Cards hacked and looped are better than cards never hacked at all. If it is not released now, then it will never be of use. Initally, someone will release for $$$, then someone will release publically to cut throats of dealers. This is how the game works. They may work a hardware angle in, but IMHO most likely they can be opened with current hardware, but you need correct glitches.

As mentioned above, last ECM targeted Ghost provider, so not truely blockerless ECM. They changed PPV Tier ranges earlier this year, which affected blockerless somewhat... and they did target a specifc tier range last year that looped both blockered and blockerless cards if you where using a tier in that range. Unless you made one of these mistakes on blockerless, blockerless has never blinked once as long as you keep card in stream and up to date.

SO cams can be ECM's once public, most likely Rom102 blockerless maybe as well, and I am betting it will al boil down to changes made at Rev105... the cam id marked in OTP at 3050. I would bet that So cards have cam id marked in OTP as well. OTP has yet to be used, and only cards that have not been cloned and have correct OTP cam marks will survive such an ECM. Providers could easily take out SO hack, Rom102 blocker and blockerless all at once, esp cloned cards with incorrect OTP at 3050 and even blockered cams with no marked OTP, either can be targeted. As the swap moves forward and the Rom102 subbed pool starts to shrink and more Rom102 are available for hackers, the ECM will have less potential to affecting subs since they will be more Rom240's. IMHO, I predict this will be the last great loop Ecm of the Nagra2 era. It may still be a while, but I predict they still go one more up their sleeve before Nagra2 goes bye-bye. But who knows.... :rolleyes:

PS Charlie... I am disappointed you never ECM'd tsops of ird's running blockered cams using cycle bytes, atmegas, or some other method of testing. You used to target irds. You used to be fun man... WTF.

SO hack is only gonna be good to play with and maybe get some enjoyment of being able to read the card. If it does come out it will be as useful as the 3m that came out for the rom 3 card when Charlie was shutting down the rom10to102 way back. I still remembering posting that whoever created could "kiss my ass" now cuz it was useless to use at that point and not helpful to the testing community in general. If trying to make some $$ at his point for the S0 hack is the goal I am afraid the dealers will be sadly mistaken. Peeps are gonna hold onto their $$ and wait to see what happens with the 240/241. The future of testing lies in those cards and certainly NOT in the S0 cards. But I would definitely welcome freeware S0 for testing and having a little fun and maybe learn something along the way.

Stryker1:yes:

Well said Stryker1 now if the bulk of the community will adhere to this theory then maybe we can slow that GREED Train down!

it would be nice to know the specs on the card too....like mainly the difference.....from a rom102.....

come on stop it now guys

there was a little misunderstanding!!!!

All I got to say is:

If S0 cards series are being used as the rumors suggest.......I for one, would like to see a dump first, it certainly wouldn't be any harm in that.... just like the dumps of the rom101, rom102 were posted before the public hacks were released to the masses.

like to see some proof....not any dealer scripts.

My guess, it's the same cycle as with N2......FTA will lead the way, before a Public Card Hack.

It's all about the Money in this Hobby.....

SO hack is only gonna be good to play with and maybe get some enjoyment of being able to read the card. If it does come out it will be as useful as the 3m that came out for the rom 3 card when Charlie was shutting down the rom10to102 way back. I still remembering posting that whoever created could "kiss my ass" now cuz it was useless to use at that point and not helpful to the testing community in general. If trying to make some $$ at his point for the S0 hack is the goal I am afraid the dealers will be sadly mistaken. Peeps are gonna hold onto their $$ and wait to see what happens with the 240/241. The future of testing lies in those cards and certainly NOT in the S0 cards. But I would definitely welcome freeware S0 for testing and having a little fun and maybe learn something along the way.

Stryker1:yes:

good point indeed....the SO is done but there is not much of a demand...i know who is doing them and he wanted to keep close to the vest...there was 1 little flare up in the UG community about it so he took his ball and went home (so to speak) he is still doing them for personal friends and that's about it
i wasn't going to post here anymore but just wanted to chime in briefly here as this thread seems to be somewhat in check....there is no need to worry about the 240/241 hack now is there? let's play w/ the 206's first....everything in time...everything in due time
no worries :)

721

i wasn't going to post here anymore but just wanted to chime in briefly here as this thread seems to be somewhat in check....there is no need to worry about the 240/241 hack now is there? let's play w/ the 206's first....everything in time...everything in due time
no worries :)

721

It seems the 206 will go by the wayside as the 101 went so the 206 is the successor to the 101 card.....LOL!! Again, still would be fun to play with also but chances are the 206 is probably very similar to the 240/241 so it might give the coders some insight into the 240/241 card and how the code is exectuted. I am only guessing here and is based on no rumors I heard or anything like that. Just out of curiosity 721nag, any info on the S0 hack such as, same hardware to unlock? Modified flash? Winexplorer script to unlock? Is it the SO1 or S02 or both that can be used with this hack? How about loop percentage? Any info would be appreciated. If not I am good with ya on that also.

Stryker1:yes:

this is a good break through, as always since we are able to learn more from this card, i myself have been interested in this break through because it will help us with the next generation of cards...

I'm not so sure the S0 series won't handle the Nagra3 stream. How many 311's are out there that Charlie would have to swap out, IF the current chip type wouldn't handle Nagra 3? Would cost a FORTUNE!!!

think about it!

hmmm.....i agree with magic...(or at least hope)....but i also have not heard of any confirmed S0 users being sent a swapped 240/241 yet.....anyone?

I'm not so sure the S0 series won't handle the Nagra3 stream. How many 311's are out there that Charlie would have to swap out, IF the current chip type wouldn't handle Nagra 3? Would cost a FORTUNE!!!

think about it!

exactly..charli3's coder's are way more sloppy and lazy than people think...their sh*t has more holes in it than my old college T-shirt's
we've been laughing at him for a while now..it really is sad to think that we in this community have him pegged so good. he has amess on his hands and will for a while to come so enjoy everyone :)

721

hmmm.....i agree with magic...(or at least hope)....but i also have not heard of any confirmed S0 users being sent a swapped 240/241 yet.....anyone?

240/241's are a little way off yet so no need to let the cat out of the bag yet...heck if the mouse isn't here yet and we let the cat out of the bag then the cat might starve waiting for him. let's keep him safe and warm in the bag for when we need him

721

I'm not so sure the S0 series won't handle the Nagra3 stream. How many 311's are out there that Charlie would have to swap out, IF the current chip type wouldn't handle Nagra 3? Would cost a FORTUNE!!!

think about it!

Not sure, Haven't seen that many SO cards (maybe 1 out 5 in 301's) and even less in 311's. All 311's I have run across all had Rom102's or Rom206's. 311's come with So cams? And why couldn't they simply enable the cardslot and put a Rom240 in it? ;)

i want to clarify an earlier post...240's and 241's are slowly starting to show up in the mail but the 206's should be around a while as there is N2 and N3 packets in the stream ...so again at the end of the day there will be plenty to test for some time to come...and don't go thinking the 240/241 is the end either :)

cheers
721

I'm not so sure the S0 series won't handle the Nagra3 stream. How many 311's are out there that Charlie would have to swap out, IF the current chip type wouldn't handle Nagra 3? Would cost a FORTUNE!!!

think about it!

from what i understand, the 102's and 103's would be faded out firts. the so's to be out by end of next year. so they will be around longer. and by time clouds start darkening for the 102, the so's should bring sunlight to the testers community.

I'm not so sure the S0 series won't handle the Nagra3 stream. How many 311's are out there that Charlie would have to swap out, IF the current chip type wouldn't handle Nagra 3? Would cost a FORTUNE!!!

think about it!

They don't have to swap them out. They are activating card slots. I unboxed 6 re manufactured 522's with active card slots and purple cards that said G3 on the bottom right corner. They also still had the cam bga chip inside of them.

S0 cards are N3 compatible?

S0 cards are N3 compatible?

not at all, the 102, 103, s0x, and 206 are all nagra 2 and will all be replaced by rom 240 for b*v and rom 241 for d*sh.

Howerver the skills to open the s0x, 206, and high rev 103 might just be the ticket for the 240/241. Which is one possibility the underground scene has not released this to the public.

so then the 103 spoofed to 241 might be good to go ?

so then the 103 spoofed to 241 might be good to go ?

not if they are just an ATR spoof which is what the spoof packs are at the momment. Once we're in full blow N3 only the N3 cards will work. Now there will be room for 102->241 spoof and 103->241 spoof if the map calls are pulled from the stream similar to how a rom 10 can work in place of 102 ocationally. But I think the N3 stream would need to be compromised before a true 240/241 spoof is available.

not at all, the 102, 103, s0x, and 206 are all nagra 2 and will all be replaced by rom 240 for b*v and rom 241 for d*sh.

Howerver the skills to open the s0x, 206, and high rev 103 might just be the ticket for the 240/241. Which is one possibility the underground scene has not released this to the public.

i believe the 206 was meant for nag3

i believe the 206 was meant for nag3

I can almost guarantee that the 206 is not nag3 compliant. Why would dish and bell be swapping them if they were? Many people with VIPs that have a 206 icam are receiving the new G3 purple rom 241 cards.

I'm fairly certain the 206 was a 103 replacement similar to the s0x replacing the 102.

I can almost guarantee that the 206 is not nag3 compliant. Why would dish and bell be swapping them if they were? Many people with VIPs that have a 206 icam are receiving the new G3 purple rom 241 cards.

I'm fairly certain the 206 was a 103 replacement similar to the s0x replacing the 102.

103 cards were for dual tuner recievers i have a 301.13 with a 206 also a 2700 with 206 there are no single tuner ird's with a 103 card

Why would dish and bell be swapping them if they were? Many people with VIPs that have a 206 icam are receiving the new G3 purple rom 241 cards.
a security hole was found in 206's

rumor is N3 is pretty close to N2

how do i know if i have a so2 -the onei have is a bell card what will numbers be--to say if its an so2?

put it in iso
or markings center bottom ex-07 =s01
bottom right sw-04=s02

how do i know if i have a so2 -the onei have is a bell card what will numbers be--to say if its an so2?

Bell only used the s01, 102, 103, 206, and now 240.
dish used the s02, s04, 102, 103, 206, and now 241

So your bell card is likely a s01 or 102.