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goldmine1
05-03-2008, 08:24 AM
well, it looks like some are waking up from their media induced COMA!!
c/p
Obama's appeal to working-class whites faltering, polls show

ALAN FRAM
Associated Press Writer


WASHINGTON — Barack Obama's problem winning votes from working-class whites is showing no sign of going away, and their impression of him is getting worse.

Those are ominous signals as he hopes for strong performances next week in Indiana and North Carolina primaries that would derail the candidacy of Hillary Rodham Clinton, his rival for the Democratic presidential nomination. Those contests come as his candidacy has been rocked by renewed attention to his volatile former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and by his defeat in last month's Pennsylvania primary.

In an Associated Press-Yahoo News poll in April, 53 percent of whites who have not completed college viewed Obama unfavorably, up a dozen percentage points from November. During that period, the numbers viewing Clinton and Republican candidate John McCain negatively have stayed about even.

The April poll — conducted before the Pennsylvania contest — also showed an overwhelming preference for Clinton over Obama among working-class whites. They favored her over him by 39 percentage points, compared to a 10-point Obama lead among white college graduates. Obama also did worse than Clinton among those less-educated voters when matched up against Republican candidate John McCain.

"It's the stuff about his preacher ... and the thing he said about Pennsylvania towns, how they turn to religion," Keith Wolfe, 41, a supermarket food stocker from Parkville, Md., said in a follow-up interview. "I don't think he'd be a really good leader."

Just before the Pennsylvania primary, Obama said many small-town residents are bitter about their lives and turn for solace to religion and guns.

Recent voting patterns underscore Obama's continued poor performance with these voters, who are often pivotal in general election swing states like Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

In Democratic primaries held on or before Super Tuesday, Feb. 5, whites who have not finished college favored the New York senator by a cumulative 59 percent to 32 percent, according to exit polls of voters conducted for The Associated Press and the television networks.

In primaries since Feb. 5, that group has favored Clinton by 64 percent to 34 percent. That includes Ohio and Pennsylvania, in which working-class whites have favored Clinton by 44 and 41 percentage points respectively.

The AP-Yahoo poll shows less educated whites present a problem to Obama in part because of who they are. Besides being poorer, they tend to be older than white college graduates — and Clinton has done strongly with older white voters.

Yet political professionals and analysts say more is at play. They blame Obama's problems with blue-collar whites on their greater reluctance to embrace his bid to become the first black president, and his failure to address their concerns about job losses and the battered economy specifically enough.

Terry Madonna, a political science professor at Franklin & Marshall College in Lancaster, Pa., said Obama lost among working-class whites in the state because his message of how this generation's time has come did not address their economic needs.

"While it's incredibly motivating and passionate and compelling, it lacks content," Madonna said. "Hillary would come in and relate to them, talk about the specifics of her policy."

Pennsylvania also illustrated the problems racial attitudes among less educated whites are causing Obama.

In exit polls, one in five of the state's white voters who haven't completed college said race was an important factor in choosing a candidate, about double the number of white college graduates who said so. Eight in 10 of them voted for Clinton over Obama, and only about half said they would vote for Obama over McCain in November.

"The scab is pealed back off," Democratic pollster John Anzalone, not working for either presidential candidate, said of the latest attention focused on Wright and Obama's denunciations of him. In video clips of past sermons, Wright has damned the United States for its history of racism and accused the government of spreading the HIV virus to harm blacks.

Obama pollster Cornell Belcher said that while working-class whites have favored Clinton, the fact that huge numbers of them and other voters have participated in Democratic contests boded well for the November election.

"I don't think there's going to be erosion in the fall of a core group of Democratic voters," Belcher said.

While less educated whites tend to vote less frequently than better educated voters, they are important because of their sheer number.

Exit polls show they have comprised three in 10 voters in Democratic contests so far, a group that cannot be ignored in a contest that has seen Obama maintain a slim lead. They made up 43 percent of all voters in the 2004 presidential contest, when they heavily favored President Bush over Democrat John Kerry.

Underlining his need to connect with these voters, Obama has geared some television ads in Indiana toward economic issues. In recent days he has turned to small events, rather than his trademark huge rallies, concentrating on the economy, including lunching with a blue-collar Indiana family while discussing their problems.

He has let cameras record him playing basketball in hopes of connecting with the passionate fans of the sport who populate Indiana and North Carolina.

The findings from the AP-Yahoo News poll are from interviews with 863 Democrats on a panel of adults questioned in November and April. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.3 percentage points.

The poll was conducted over the Internet by Knowledge Networks, which initially contacted people using traditional telephone polling methods and followed with online interviews. People chosen for the study who had no Internet access were given it free.

The exit poll is based on in-person interviews with more than 36,000 voters in 28 states that have held primaries this year in which both candidates actively competed. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 1 percentage point, larger for some subgroups.

beehive21
05-03-2008, 04:05 PM
People chosen for the study who had no Internet access were given it free.
So, we're gonna take a poll of how unfavorable your opinion is on Obama...and if you don't have internet access to take the poll, we'll give it to you free...did a bunch of 2nd graders figure this one out? This will quite possibly win the award for "least scientific and most biased poll of the century" :lol: Regardless of what the outcome was, nobody can possibly believe these results are accurate. Give me free access to the internet, I'll say whatever you want ;)

Flying Spaghetti Monster for president!!!

goldmine1
05-03-2008, 04:15 PM
[QUOTE=beehive21;728280]Give me free access to the internet, I'll say whatever you want ;) QUOTE]

and obama says .....Give me the keys to the white house and I will SAY whatever you want to hear!!! affirmative action candidate....PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

9ballplayer
05-03-2008, 04:26 PM
So, we're gonna take a poll of how unfavorable your opinion is on Obama...and if you don't have internet access to take the poll, we'll give it to you free...did a bunch of 2nd graders figure this one out? This will quite possibly win the award for "least scientific and most biased poll of the century" :lol: Regardless of what the outcome was, nobody can possibly believe these results are accurate. Give me free access to the internet, I'll say whatever you want ;)

Flying Spaghetti Monster for president!!!

I am watching a Local newscaster in an interview with people with Doctorate Degrees in "Divinity". Two are Caucasian..........two are Black.

One of the fat A$$holes (President of the NAACP in NorthCarolina), Can not answer a pointed question ........"What role is played in a political representative's supportive position from a Religious standpoint


The F'king NAACP rep immediately starts in with a Dr. Martin Luther King statement.:mad:

:no: :no: I'm done........:yes:

papa J
05-03-2008, 04:40 PM
I am watching a Local newscaster in an interview with people with Doctorate Degrees in "Divinity". Two are Caucasian..........two are Black.

One of the fat A$$holes (President of the NAACP in NorthCarolina), Can not answer a pointed question ........"What role is played in a political representative's supportive position from a Religious standpoint


The F'king NAACP rep immediately starts in with a Dr. Martin Luther King statement.:mad:

:no: :no: I'm done........:yes:

" I have A Dream" Put the Rev to sleep so he can dream:lol:

qrb123
05-03-2008, 07:50 PM
Obama is a useless parasite, who came to power with the help of the crime lord Rezco, and Also reverend Wright. He defines what is wrong with affirmative action.

I am not racist. I would accept a black president. Shit I would take take snoop dog over Obama. At least snoop dog has lived a real life, and looks at things in realistic ways. He would do a much better job as president.

Obama is nothing more then a Tin God, for those who's life is empty and meaningless. The fact he has support at all, shows a massive de-evolution in this country. Obama is against all morals, against decency, against the constitution, against America.

I would vote for Bin Laden in a heartbeat over Obama. At least Bin Laden is honest about his want to destroy our nation, so even he scores higher then Obama with me.

Thank God we have the second amendment. Because of it, Obama, and the threat he poses to the nation will likely be neutralized by some random American who gives a shit about the country.

papa J
05-03-2008, 07:55 PM
Obama is a useless parasite, who came to power with the help of the crime lord Rezco, and Also reverend Wright. He defines what is wrong with affirmative action.

I am not racist. I would accept a black president. Shit I would take take snoop dog over Obama. At least snoop dog has lived a real life, and looks at things in realistic ways. He would do a much better job as president.

Obama is nothing more then a Tin God, for those who's life is empty and meaningless. The fact he has support at all, shows a massive de-evolution in this country. Obama is against all morals, against decency, against the constitution, against America.

I would vote for Bin Laden in a heartbeat over Obama. At least Bin Laden is honest about his want to destroy our nation, so even he scores higher then Obama with me.

Thank God we have the second amendment. Because of it, Obama, and the threat he poses to the nation will likely be neutralized.

ya got it right. :yes: :p :D

subw_eng
05-03-2008, 09:51 PM
Why are we even debating his support from MC America? Did he ever have any? If so, when did we decide to go to socialism? (that includes his democratic party rival).

Actually, considering the "main" 3 candidates, the only rational choice for MC America is none of the above. Why is anyone w/ any love for what this country is founded on considerering any of the above?!!!

Sorry. But I'd rather not vote if I have to consider any of the three.

eldiablo
05-04-2008, 02:45 AM
Ron Paul is still available.

eddiemiller
05-04-2008, 03:18 AM
obama is still gonna win , you can't stop it !

goldmine1
05-04-2008, 06:21 AM
obama is still gonna win , you can't stop it !

you know, he's right!..... if (the powers that be) want him there, he will be there no matter what (WE THE PEOPLE) say or do....our votes won't count anyway....see...Hacking Democracy .... SAD BUT TRUE!!!!

jd500c
05-04-2008, 06:23 AM
obama is still gonna win , you can't stop it !

This statement is most likely true, but HC still has a slight chance of pulling it out.
Obamba cannot take anymore hits or else he is out, looks like to me. The super d's will trend to Clinton and thats her only chance.

It is good to see that more and more are starting to see him for what he is though - -- RE: first post.

Project2501
05-04-2008, 07:23 AM
... At least snoop dog has lived a real life, and looks at things in realistic ways. ...

Your kidding, right?

eldiablo
05-04-2008, 02:20 PM
obama is still gonna win , you can't stop it !

ok, let's say that he does win. The democrats sitting on the fence will have the choice of voting for McCain or Obama. I'm going on a limb here and predict that McCain will win with a landslide, because a lot of democrats see Obama, for what he truly is......
So, there will be a republican in the White House for another term. That ain't so bad??:hat: :rolleyes:

Rowsdower
05-04-2008, 03:23 PM
Flying Spaghetti Monster for president!!!

I'm with you, brother! :yes: :hat:

FSM in '08! Let's put the one true creator of the universe in the White House!

Bobthetech
05-04-2008, 04:16 PM
Maybe I should throw MY hat into the ring. Problem is, it would most likely get thrown back.

Seriously though, Barak Obama is NOT my idea of a "good" candidate. But what other options do we have? Would you vote for Hitlery Clinton? I wouldn't vote for her for dogcatcher, I have to much respect for dogs.

Of the three, I think McCain is the lesser of three evils. Also, it is best if a Democrat DOESN'T get into the White House at this time. The reason is, assuming the House and the Senate remain controlled by Democrats, that would mean the Democratic Party would control the House, the Senate, and the White House. For one party, doesn't matter which one, to control all three, is never a good idea because you have no checks and balances. I am thinking about voting for Ralph Nader. I know he won't win, but I have voted for many underdogs in my life because I felt they were the best person for the job. In this case, I am not a big Ralph Nader fan, but given a choice between Obama, Clinton, McCain, or Nader, I figure Nader is the better person for the job.