i lost respect for this idiot a long time ago...not just today. but i will add that if i had to choose between clinton or obama and there were no other choices i would choose clinton over a racest, inexperienced, non-patriotic, hate mongrel like obama. i really have a problem with him not wearing a flag on his lapel...and not putting his hand on his chest when the national anthem is being played.

I took your advise and opened my own thread and since you claim I hijacked your thread lets be clear about one thing I did nothing of the sort, I may be a pirate but not a hijacker :p you say you did not make refrence to racism (read your own post) regardless of which by the time I posted the thread was way off topic but pay attention I did stay on the topic of BS and flag pins

I don't see why people have such a problem with Michael Moore. He's not unbiased? So what? He's not a journalist. He's as unbiased as Rush Limbaugh or any of the people on Faux News. ;)

And why is anyone calling Obama a mongrel? Is he a dog or something?

I took your advise and opened my own thread and since you claim I hijacked your thread lets be clear about one thing I did nothing of the sort, I may be a pirate but not a hijacker :p you say you did not make refrence to racism (read your own post) regardless of which by the time I posted the thread was way off topic but pay attention I did stay on the topic of BS and flag pins

you and everybody else are entitled to your opinion. and i am entitled to mine. he went to a church for more than 20 yrs that teaches hate and racist views. i was made to go to church when i was a child and i resented that. when i got old enough to make my own decisions i didn't go to church at all for a number of years. when i did choose a church i went to many...if their teachings were against what my beliefs were... my search continued. ...meaning that you don't attend a church that teaches things that are not in line with your beliefs. that speaks for itself. so with that said YES i beleive Obama IS in fact a racist. he, you, or anybody else can candy coat it all you want...fact is he went to that church because they were in line with his train of thought!

I don't see why people have such a problem with Michael Moore. He's not unbiased? So what? He's not a journalist. He's as unbiased as Rush Limbaugh or any of the people on Faux News. ;)

And why is anyone calling Obama a mongrel? Is he a dog or something?

now you are hijacking his thread. this is not about Michael Moore!

I looked him up and still don't know who micheal moore is.

I really don't have a choice so I am staying out of this voteing. I think we are in trouble no matter who wins.

Filmmaker Moore backs Obama, blasts Clinton's actions and words as 'disgusting'
Email|Link|Comments (25) Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor April 22, 2008 10:50 AM
Self-styled populist filmmaker Michael Moore is urging Pennsylvania voters to back Barack Obama today, saying that Hillary Clinton's campaign tactics have "gone from being merely disappointing to downright disgusting."

Moore, an Oscar winner whose documentaries have tackled subjects including guns and General Motors, said last week's debate was "the final straw" of Clinton and former President Bill Clinton playing "this game of appealing to the worst side of white people."

"How sad that I would ever have to write those words about you," he says in an open letter posted on his website Monday. "You have devoted your life to good causes and good deeds. And now to throw it all away for an office you can't win unless you smear the black man so much that the superdelegates cry 'Uncle (Tom)' and give it all to you."

Moore has far kinder words for Obama, but more so for the grassroots activism that his candidacy has energized. "What we are witnessing is not just a candidate but a profound, massive public movement for change," Moore writes. "My endorsement is more for Obama The Movement than it is for Obama the candidate."

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/04/filmmaker_moore.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=michael+moore&spell=1

now you are hijacking his thread. this is not about Michael Moore!

The "Michael Moore thread" is not about Michael Moore? Who woulda thunk it? <_<

now you are hijacking his thread. this is not about Michael Moore!

Actually it is :p and about racism, church, Obama, his mamma, Michael Moorse mamma just about what ever you want to rant and blather about and guess what I wont close it I will let others decide when enough BS has been posted

lets get a few things clear I do not give a rats a-- about Obama or Hillary or Michael Moore, Mccain, McDonalds much less Obamas minister, my point is its all BS! I go to church (when I can) does that make me a bad Catholic? regardless but what the preacher is preaching in his sermon does not make any decisions for me nor does it represent me or what I am about

I make refrence to if my brother is a serial killer does that make me one? NO you made refrence to "Real American Heros" define it? I am curious to know what that is ;) I grow tired of this propoganda BS for simpletons at least I got a spam filter on my email and yes you are entitled to your opinion which you have clearly stated as I am currently doing so myself debate is good for the soul like chicken soup :cool:

Actually while were at it this thread is also about Mexicans, Guns, flag burning, the war, gay republicans, wife beaters, rambo knifes and just about anything else you can think of LOL!

lets get a few things clear I do not give a rats a-- about Obama or Hillary or Michael Moore, Mccain, McDonalds much less Obamas minister, my point is its all BS!

if you do not care for your country which is basicly what you are saying then you need to move to somewhere you can get excited about.


I go to church (when I can) does that make me a bad Catholic? regardless but what the preacher is preaching in his sermon does not make any decisions for me nor does it represent me or what I am about

then why go in the first place? kinda defeats the purpose don't it?

if you do not care for your country which is basicly what you are saying then you need to move to somewhere you can get excited about.

Goldmine1 I like you I really do bud, but listen to yourself where do you see that I state I do not care for my country? dont make up what is not there lets engage in honest tangible conversation that is constructive


then why go in the first place? doesn't make since

So I wont end up in Hell mang! So tell me this if your thinking is correct you preacher says that God is coming tomorrow in a big UFO and the only way you can get on is drink this here kool aid that is laced with rat poison you would do right cause your preacher said it was so right? I would think not thats common sense mang :cool:

Goldmine1 I like you I really do bud, but listen to yourself where do you see that I state I do not care for my country? dont make up what is not there lets engage in honest tangible conversation that is constructive




So I wont end up in Hell mang! So tell me this if your thinking is correct you preacher says that God is coming tomorrow in a big UFO and the only way you can get on is drink this here kool aid that is laced with rat poison you would do right cause your preacher said it was so right? I would think not thats common sense mang :cool:

lol my point exactly...i wouldn't go to a church with such an eccentric preacher. no one knows exactly when the end of time is coming. btw i like you too...we're just having a little talk...lol

lol my point exactly...i wouldn't go to a church with such an eccentric preacher. no one knows exactly when the end of time is coming. btw i like you too...we're just having a little talk...lol

That is what I call constructive criticism as long as we are on good terms :beer:

That is what I call constructive criticism as long as we are on good terms :beer:

exactly...i don't agree with everything my brother says but he is still my brother:yes: but i can choose my pastor...not my family

exactly...i don't agree with everything my brother says but he is still my brother:yes: but i can choose my pastor...not my family

LOL! half the time I am so Hung over I do not hear what mine is saying :blink:

i was scared i was going to the dog house when they said this wasn't a micheal moore thead and i posted micheal moore stuff. whew. lol

i was scared i was going to the dog house when they said this wasn't a micheal moore thead and i posted micheal moore stuff. whew. lol

WOOF! U aight mang jejeje :yes:

i was scared i was going to the dog house when they said this wasn't a micheal moore thead and i posted micheal moore stuff.

Me too! :o

i was scared i was going to the dog house when they said this wasn't a micheal moore thead and i posted micheal moore stuff. whew. lol

lol ...you are entitled to your opinion...no one should doghouse you for that. now if you break the rules...lol...thats a different story. even then it would have to be pretty bad or you would just get a warning.

i was scared i was going to the dog house when they said this wasn't a micheal moore thead and i posted micheal moore stuff. whew. lol

:wow: woof woof:lol: :wow: :p :D

:wow: woof woof:lol: :wow: :p :D

AW chit parties ova! Big Poppa is here LOL! :beer:

AW chit parties ova! Big Poppa is here LOL! :beer:

LOL ...tell us papa what do you think about obama?;)

A couple stray thoughts here...

LILMAFIA: You and your family are EXACTLY what patriotic Americans are supposed to be. Your family came here looking for a better life and when the chips were down three straight generations put their lives on the line in service to their country. To you, your dad and your grandfather...Thank you. That kind of sacrifice gets my respect regardless of what polictical persuiasion you may have. Actually...it's the reason we get to express it in the first place.

Being a patriot isn't so much in what you say as what you do. Look how many faded yellow ribbons on cars there are. How many of those folks still stop every day and give thanks? Wearing (or not wearing) a flag pin doesn't in and of itself make or break you as a patriot. Hell I've even forgotten to put mine on my lapel on occasion. (Which pisses me off but hey, shit happens). As far as Obama goes it's a number of little things that lead people to question his actions and what he really believes in. Look at the crap that was thrown at Clinton and Bush for their records during the Vietnam War. Perhaps the contrast is greater this time because NOBODY can question McCain on his sacrifices during the war. Personally I don't trust Clinton or Obama. It has nothign to do with race at all. Nothing pisses me off more than when criticism of a minority is called racist. It's CRITICISM. Period.

When we get into political discussions it's very hard sometimes not to have it turn personal. Back in '68 a guy named Tim Craft wrote this during the siege of Khe Sanh:

For those that will fight for it...FREEDOM ...has a flavor the protected shall never know."

I suspect that a lot of the strong feelings some of us have here are because the people involved know EXACTLY what Tim was saying. It's just one of those things you have to live to understand completely.

The big thing I'd like everyone to remember is that we are ALL on the same team here. Even when we disagree.

sums it up perfectly....

[QUOTE=goldmine1;721697 ...tell us papa what do you think about obama?;)[/QUOTE]

aw hell, ya'll know what I think about osama, oops, I mean obama:lol:

Change?myself I don't want that kind of change:no:

he spent to many years with his church to not have liked it. IE he liked it till it was'nt helping him any longer. Finally put a lapel flag pin on when it would help him, don't put his hand over his heart, ain't got a heart Half breed Sumbitch ain't got nothing I want:no: does that tell ya how I feel?? I hope so:yes: :lol: :p

Nice post Hondo...I totally agree ....

Keep it cool guys and remember those posting here are our Family....its OK to disagree just be civil :beer:

yea because when it comes down to it , I guess flag lapel pins is probably the most harsh thing we as Americans will be facing:rolleyes: , and rev wright is absolutely hilarious , funny preacher ( i mean who else could go off on a tirade while giving a eulogy ) . SO please when you vote this year , remember whats most Important , Flag lapel pins & Race bating preachers , voting on anything else is absurd:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

yea because when it comes down to it , I guess flag lapel pins is probably the most harsh thing we as Americans will be facing:rolleyes: , and rev wright is absolutely hilarious , funny preacher ( i mean who else could go off on a tirade while giving a eulogy ) . SO please when you vote this year , remember whats most Important , Flag lapel pins & Race bating preachers , voting on anything else is absurd:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

they say a picture is worth a thousand words:lol:

I totally agree:yes:

they say a picture is worth a thousand words:lol:

I totally agree:yes:

....

Being a patriot isn't so much in what you say as what you do. Wearing (or not wearing) a flag pin doesn't in and of itself make or break you as a patriot.

AMEN! :yes:


Perhaps the contrast is greater this time because NOBODY can question McCain on his sacrifices during the war.

Looks like the Swiftboat crowd is trying. :no:
www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/mccain_myth.htm


The big thing I'd like everyone to remember is that we are ALL on the same team here. Even when we disagree.

You mean those who disagree with the Bush administration DON'T hate America? ;)

i was joking about the doghouse. but it is sad I have no one to really back this year. first black man first woman or another republican.

Charlie Brown said it all when he said " Good Grief."

at least gas has went up that has to help somebody somewhere.

I have only sypathy for you LiLMAFIA. my father flew during world war two was alowed to bomb any targets in ocupied japan unlees it was owned by shell oil.

no refineries they told him. he was shot down in the philipines told he was expendable the gorillas recued him.

he was thrown out after 14 years with no pention.

this has nothing to do with the moore guy. I just get sad when I here how our solders dye for opec.:barf: :barf:

most of the hero's died in battle, and sadly alot were for no good cause.

Personally I don't trust Clinton or Obama. It has nothign to do with race at all. Nothing pisses me off more than when criticism of a minority is called racist. It's CRITICISM. Period


very well said!

I absolutely agree Hondo!! Critisism is critisism!!:beer:

sometimes i don't blame them for not wearing the pin. its not the same flag it used to be. but don't ask me my father was a depression child.

i was rased by war heros. what do i do i fight the state over my damn child.

going to get off this thread now.

Excellent picture posted above...neither Clinton nor Obama have impressed me at all. All we will miss is their back and forth bashing of each other.

Its going to be an easy decision when election day arrives.

Its going to be an easy decision when election day arrives.

yep, and a little strange for me, because it will be the first time in 30 plus years of voting that i have voted for a republican for president.

they decided for us. but thank god its not up to me. I think I'll sit this one out.

yea because when it comes down to it , I guess flag lapel pins is probably the most harsh thing we as Americans will be facing:rolleyes: , and rev wright is absolutely hilarious , funny preacher ( i mean who else could go off on a tirade while giving a eulogy ) . SO please when you vote this year , remember whats most Important , Flag lapel pins & Race bating preachers , voting on anything else is absurd:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: There is just somethin about that pic of Obama that gets under my ever lovin last nerve! What is he doing, trying to abuse my good nature??? Yea I think Repub's have my vote this year as well!:beer: :yes:

they decided for us.

you know, he's right....see (hacking democracy)

i was going to sit this one out but what the hey. going to pull the handle. if phyc says so it must be true going to go vote. just scared i don't want anyone else to die to rasie the price of gas.

I know depression child son. but my father told me pearl harber was a set up. after he died i watched what he told me on discovery channel.

I guess navel intelegence knew somwthing.lol.. ok phyc i'll go vote. lets let them finish this. bring them home

It has nothign to do with race at all. Nothing pisses me off more than when criticism of a minority is called racist. It's CRITICISM. Period.

When it's 1 person's duty here to constantly bring anti-Obama e-mail copy/paste propaganda, it becomes more than criticism. One can have an opinion, that's fine. When there is nonstop posting of unsubstantiated nonsense, it becomes bigotry. A bigot is not necessarily a racist. Bigotry doesn't have to involve a person, it can involve other things, cultures, etc...it just happens that this is directed towards a minority.

Has anyone read why Obama doesn't place his hand over his heart for the anthem?

As for whether this incident was an "accident," whether Senator Obama habitually declines to perform the hand-over-heart gesture, or whether there's any particular meaning to the (non-)action, an Obama campaign spokesperson responded: "Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't. In no way was he making any sort of statement, and any suggestion to the contrary is ridiculous." The senator himself said that "My grandfather taught me when I was 2. During the Pledge of Allegiance, you put your hand over your heart. During the national anthem, you sing."Grandpa must've been a racist hate-mongrel for bringing up Obama this way. I had to read it twice...thought it said "America, and it's flag, suck!! Do not place your hand on your heart!!" Not exactly what I was expecting.

Anne Garside must also be a racist hate-mongrel for saying what she said about it...btw, she takes care of the original Star Spangled Banner score for the Maryland Historical Society...
Modern custom does not require a hand over the heart, said Anne Garside, director of communication for the Maryland Historical Society, home of the original manuscript of The Star-Spangled Banner.

"I think the bottom line is that you show respect with your demeanor," she said. "Whether you put your hand over your heart, hold your hat at shoulder level or waist level, is really in this day and age irrelevant."
What a b!tch!!! Unbelievable!!! To think that the keeper of the Star Spangled Banner is so unpatriotic :rolleyes:

Does it matter that there are pics of him holding his hand over his heart during the anthem? They're out there. Maybe his arms hurt the day of the unpatriotic photo? You don't know. I don't know. FACT - what we do know is that he has been seen before holding his hand on his heart during the national anthem. FACT - we do know that there's video of him holding hand over heart, during the Pledge of Allegiance (to the FLAG, remember?) So, to state that he's unpatriotic over one picture, of which we don't know the circumstances, is plain bigotry, not criticism.

Thank you LILMAFIA for speaking out...it gets lonely here outside of the propaganda train.

And I'm still waiting for goldmine's thread to be reopened, thanks :)

did i miss something????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????

did i miss something????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????

Apparently so :p

This one needs reopened

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=120785

i am a noob look over me

Obama....Hillary....
Sorry, folks, but I wonder if this election has already been arranged, and the winner is known to a small group of people.
While I still think it is very important to vote, please remember that the voters Do Not elect the president. The Electoral College elects the President.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College

Apparently so :p

This one needs reopened

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=120785

you, beehive have your opinion, GM has his. You expect to be able to post what you want without being bashed, so does he.

and I don't see just one person bashing Obama, I see a whole bunch of people that are not sure what he is all about, I'm one of them.:yes:

is this about the moore guy, obama is this thread closed, still open.

politics sure messes with the threads don't it. get em papa

These canidates are under a microscope, and Obama has done plenty to draw attention to himself, The pics of him not doing a patriotic gesture does NOT sit well in the stomachs of True Americans. Hillary also does alot of beating around the bush about her past as well. Pictures are worth a 1000words and very hard to state that it was misunderstood. I feel they both LOVE to put blame on others and if there pasts are blueprints for their future, they WILL make mistakes and blame it on someone else. They have not said or done anything to win me over on them, so I will think heavily about them FIRST! just my opinion!:beer:

so i stayed tuned to see what happens next.:blink: :wacko: :unsure:

Papa is dead-on. And Goldmine is pretty far from "non-stop Obama-bashing". It may appear that way to you but perhaps because he is your candidate you might be overly sensitive to it.

Let's face it...there's three of them in the race. The discussions are going to center on those three. When any of them has something come up it's going to be discussed. And Obama supporter or not you have to admit he's had a TERRIBLE six weeks with things coming out. To not expect that to be discussed is rather short-sighted. When Hillary made her Bosnia gaffe it was brought up. If McCain says or does something stupid I would expect it to be discussed as well.

I've yet to see anything I consider out of line. As long as decorum can be maintained and these issues discussed in an adult, rational and somewhat dispassionate manner maybe all of us can learn something and make a more informed voting decision.

before i got into this or watched it I was discusted and was going to sit out. after listing to my VIP"S and mods I am going to go vote this year. this discusion has changed history. 100 years form now history will record that this has changed things forever. someone is going to vote this year that had givin up.

before i got into this or watched it I was discusted and was going to sit out. after listing to my VIP"S and mods I am going to go vote this year. this discusion has changed history. 100 years form now history will record that this has changed things forever. someone is going to vote this year that had givin up.
HUmmm<_< How many :beer: have you had so far this evening???lol:wow: :p

to know if this thread is closed or open. lol

And I'm still waiting for goldmine's thread to be reopened, thanks


gee, i hope you have about 200 years or so to spare....:yes:

CBS reporting Hillary leading Obama 60% - 40%. Looks like his religion comment cost him the majority of PA voters. Even tho "change" is what 59% of the voters in PA want, Obama is only commanding about 40% of the vote.

Goes to show be careful about letting your mouth overload your ass.

over there and this is so much worse than vietnam. it had no purpase only like hunting season to thin out the bucks this one has a twist. to control the oil and thinning of the bucks.

i wasn't going to vote but that isn't going to help any. I just want to see this madness stop and to see our guys get home.

so i owe i owe its off to the polls i go.

to mass produce the book i have on the 200 mile a gallon carb and stop the dependecy on the dead dinasor blood they fight over. clinton won pennsylvania.

they shut off japans oil.

dragged us into war. it was already going good before we got there.

CBS reporting Hillary leading Obama 60% - 40%. Looks like his religion comment cost him the majority of PA voters. Even tho "change" is what 59% of the voters in PA want, Obama is only commanding about 40% of the vote.

Goes to show be careful about letting your mouth overload your ass.

lol ...and i don't like her either. but i guess beehive will say i'm anti woman now..lol which couldn't be further from the truth...i love as many as i can.........:yes: :hat: S-I-N-G-L-E.......S-tay-I-ntoxicated-N-ightly-G-et-L-aid-E-veryday

oh well tommarow i'll have somemore to spread enjoyed tonight it was educational. thanks litl maf.

of the dinosours but i'll bet i can knock a dent in it. by increasing the gas milage which is common knowlegde but not overadvertised i can slow it down by over 75% of the demand. that will get me shot .lol

but my book goes back to 1933 when they where doing this on 1933 flathead engines. why can't we do it now?????????

it does not matter she CAN NOT beat Obama at this point , she would have to get 65 % of the vote in the remaining 9 states , for one that Def not gonna happen in NC & most likely he takes Indiana 2 , remember this is about delegates and before tonight hes up by 162 , with a 60/40 vote split , he's still at about 133 over her & 2 weeks from now he will still have the same amount ( because its proportional delegates , not winner take all ) This Race is already over but sum of you just can see or grasp that yet but you will in 2 weeks win Obama's hand is raised in Victory & in Nov , he's running against A guy who doesn't even have Secret service protection , because he's old & Old news but lest not take my word for it , just watch it playout !

oh well tommarow i'll have somemore to spread enjoyed tonight it was educational. thanks litl maf.
LOL I think this thread title needs to be changed to justeric1agnLOL:yes:

LOL I think this thread title needs to be changed to justeric1agnLOL:yes:

lol:yes: :rolleyes:

LOL I think this thread title needs to be changed to justeric1agnLOL:yes:

Have to change it to something cause it is about Michael Moore any longer

dragged us into war. it was already going good before we got there.

as Hondo has said in the past, put the bottle down and back slowly away from the bar:lol: :p :D

as Hondo has said in the past, put the bottle down and back slowly away from the bar:lol: :p :D

lol....he must be S-I-N-G-L-E.......S-tay-I-ntoxicated-N-ightly-G-et-L-aid-E-veryday

enjoyed tonight. and i have no idea who michal more is

The pics of him not doing a patriotic gesture does NOT sit well in the stomachs of True Americans.

I'm a True American and those pics don't bother me in the least. :)

DAYUMMMM, cant we all just get along??? Lets all just agree to disagree..(I still say we charge admission to this thread tho..$5 per post) Hell its all a matter of OPINION..(well and some facts) So lets all step back...Take a deep breath...And have a :beer: on me..

I'm a True American and those pics don't bother me in the least. :)

Don't sound like it to me:no:

I'm a True American and those pics don't bother me in the least. :)

have you seen a doctor about that?:wacko:

Don't sound like it to me:no:

Sorry for your misperception. :)

have you seen a doctor about that?:wacko:

Nope. I think most "True Americans" are more bothered by the economy and the war than those pictures. :)

I'm a True American and those pics don't bother me in the least. :)

I'm not American and the one of Obama standing with his hands hanging down and the other with their hand over their heart BOTHERED me and like I said I am not American

I'm not American and the one of Obama standing with his hands hanging down and the other with their hand over their heart BOTHERED me and like I said I am not American

Well, it's nice that we all are allowed to be offended by whatever we choose. :)

Well, it's nice that we all are allowed to be offended by whatever we choose. :)

YEP

Sorry for your misperception. :)

Mine??

not likely :no:

Nope. I think most "True Americans" are more bothered by the economy and the war than those pictures. :)

and what do you suggest we do about these things?

Mine??


Sure. You think I'm not a "True American." You're wrong. That's the misperception.

My point was that psychotic doesn't speak for all "True Americans." Of course, it could be argued that who is and who isn't a "True American" is simply an opinion. In that case, I guess I'm lucky that you don't get to make that determination. :)

gee, i hope you have about 200 years or so to spare....:yes: I wasn't speaking to you actually.

Papa is dead-on. And Goldmine is pretty far from "non-stop Obama-bashing". It may appear that way to you but perhaps because he is your candidate you might be overly sensitive to it.

Oversensitive, lol Hondo...when i tried to post some facts about other candidates, Republican or Democrat, to try and shift focus to the shortcomings of the others weeks ago, the thread immediately went the way of Obama bashing. I closed the thread. You opened it back up. Goldmine starts a thread about Moore, makes an unrelated post of hatred about Obama, then closes the thread saying myself and LILMAFIA hijacked it and drove it off topic...are you blind? The hijacking was done by goldmine himself. All for the purpose of Obama bashing. The thread needs reopened...only if you have no political bias, of course. I'll hold my breath.

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=120496
The above thread is a complete lie, email-based propaganda that goldmine1 apparently takes as fact (or else it would have been researched before posting) = bigot.

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=117060
The above thread, a good read without any negativity towards others needed, couldn't be posted without bringing up Obama the axxhole/jerkoff and a silly little pin = bigot.

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=117060
It has nothign to do with race at all.
Not about race Hondo? Could've fooled me. Just a general question that popped into his head, I suppose. He's gone this far because he's black, according to goldmine.

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=112013
MLK is the only holiday by name? Washington isn't a name? Posted hatred towards a black man before researching the truth = bigot.

to slow up the dependency on oil. see the problem is i have a 50 year old book that works on a downdraft carb. it needs and expansion chamber to crazte a way for the carb to burn vapors. they super heat the fuel to turn it into vapors then put it into a chamber to mix the vapor with the air to burn the vapors.

ok this is nothing to do with the moore guy but you ask.

i know i will have a working model in a month or two but it will be a 50 year old engine. besides that i am diong nothing

this has nothing to do wth hybreds they only get 50 miles mpg these flatheads will get 200.

and what do you suggest we do about these things?

Cutting $450 billion in extra military spending every year to fight "wars" would certainly help the economy :)

and what do you suggest we do about these things?

First, to talk about that would involve going way off topic.

Second, I don't think you really care what I think. ;)

Third, my suggestions are pretty meaningless, in that I don't really have a strong voice in Washington. Sort of like everyone else here. :)

Fourth, those problems are so complex that it would take more than a simple forum posting to give anything more than a shallow, simplistic answer.

Sure. You think I'm not a "True American." You're wrong. That's the misperception.

My point was that psychotic doesn't speak for all "True Americans." Of course, it could be argued that who is and who isn't a "True American" is simply an opinion. In that case, I guess I'm lucky that you don't get to make that determination. :)

oh I've already made my determination,:yes: out of the mouths of fools:lol:

oh I've already made my determination

I'm sure you have. Which is why I said I'm lucky your opinion on that matter doesn't really count for anything.

out of the mouths of fools:lol:

More true than you realize! :lol:

I'm sure you have. Which is why I said I'm lucky your opinion on that matter doesn't really count for anything.



More true than you realize! :lol:

be carefull...being disrespectful WILL get you DogHoused!

I'm sure you have. Which is why I said I'm lucky your opinion on that matter doesn't really count for anything.



More true than you realize! :lol:

Even tho its an opinion...me thinks that was a bad choice of words.

I'm sure you have. Which is why I said I'm lucky your opinion on that matter doesn't really count for anything.



More true than you realize! :lol:

BTW welcome to vip:lol:

be carefull...being disrespectful WILL get you DogHoused!

No it won't :lol:

It's your opinion that it was disrespectful, any neg rep for someone's opinion is in violation of what this site does. Goodnight, and welcome to vip Rowsdower :)

Naw GM, he's got as much rite to his opinion as we do.:yes:

thats what makes this site what it is:yes:

but i have no clear definiyon on what a true american is.

I, pero no tienen claro definiyon sobre lo que es un verdadero americanos:wacko:

be carefull...being disrespectful WILL get you DogHoused!

I'm well aware of that. Which is why I've been very respectful in every post. The last post was just a little kidding around. I was called a fool, I answered back with the same comment and a smilie. I assumed the comment directed at me was meant in good humor and I replied in the same manner. :)

No it won't :lol:

It's your opinion that it was disrespectful, any neg rep for someone's opinion is in violation of what this site does. Goodnight, and welcome to vip Rowsdower :)

who said anything about neg reping any one GM was just standing up for me. which btw I apreciate, not that its needed:lol:

BTW welcome to vip:lol:

Goodnight, and welcome to vip Rowsdower :)

Thank you. :) :beer:

I'm well aware of that. Which is why I've been very respectful in every post. The last post was just a little kidding around. I was called a fool, I answered back with the same comment and a smilie. I assumed the comment directed at me was meant in good humor and I replied in the same manner. :)

so long as it was in jest:cool:

I'm well aware of that. Which is why I've been very respectful in every post. The last post was just a little kidding around. I was called a fool, I answered back with the same comment and a smilie. I assumed the comment directed at me was meant in good humor and I replied in the same manner. :)

it was, hell had to see if ya could take a joke, you can:yes:

welcome again:D

who said anything about neg reping any one GM was just standing up for me. which btw I apreciate, not that its needed:lol:The doghouse was mentioned, which would require neg rep to do so..."WILL get you DogHoused".

it was, hell had to see if ya could take a joke, you can:yes:

welcome again:D

Thanks again. :beer:

who said anything about neg reping any one GM was just standing up for me. which btw I apreciate, not that its needed:lol:

us old guys gotta stick together:yes: :D

btw: welcome to vip Rowsdower

I'm off to bed...maybe I'll wake up in the morning and see the hatred stop. Probably not tho. Can't wait for the next disproven copy/paste. :)

Without knowing how old you guys are, I'm pretty old myself. What did Churchill say? "If you're conservative when you're 20, you have no heart. If you're liberal when you're 40, you have no brain." I guess he'd call me brainless. ;)

Obama seems great for those who have not yet experienced life beyond mommy and daddy taking care of you. I mean after all, he is running on a platform of change, and houses built of puppies, marshmallows, and rainbows. I would love a house made of marshmallows and smiles. Then again I am 30, and have realized these are not realistic construction materials. I understand that my 4 year old supports Obama, she also like the care bears....

Hillary, well anyone who is married, or even believes in marriage, and not the faggot version, can see the problem with her. She belongs in the kitchen, and is a prime example of what happens when you let a woman speak with out being spoken too. I am not sexist. I fully believe women can contribute to society. Much in the same way retarded people can, greeting people at walmart.

McCain - he is old and a douche. After Bush he should have no chance at all. Thankfully there is a God, and as a result, McCain with all his flaws will save us all from Obama or more likely Hillary.

Some day your going to please let the uniformed know what jejejeje means lilmafia. To get back on topic, I think pretty much all of us have the same core needs. At the very least we all share a common interest...and I'm not referring to the ladies this time.

Without knowing how old you guys are, I'm pretty old myself. What did Churchill say? "If you're conservative when you're 20, you have no heart. If you're liberal when you're 40, you have no brain." I guess he'd call me brainless. ;)

I have crayons, I can show you while your views fail at life. I know liberals like crayons... After all they are colorful.

Nope. I think most "True Americans" are more bothered by the economy and the war than those pictures. :)

hey shut up:p , we don't need no actual facts in this thread !:wacko: :wacko:

and what do you suggest we do about these things?

end the war in IRaq ( NOT AFGAHNISTAN FYI) , & kick out as many ass graping lobbyists that you can !

Obama seems great for those who have not yet experienced life beyond mommy and daddy taking care of you. I mean after all, he is running on a platform of change, and houses built of puppies, marshmallows, and rainbows. I would love a house made of marshmallows and smiles. Then again I am 30, and have realized these are not realistic construction materials. I understand that my 4 year old supports Obama, she also like the care bears....

Hillary, well anyone who is married, or even believes in marriage, and not the faggot version, can see the problem with her. She belongs in the kitchen, and is a prime example of what happens when you let a woman speak with out being spoken too. I am not sexist. I fully believe women can contribute to society. Much in the same way retarded people can, greeting people at walmart.

McCain - he is old and a douche. After Bush he should have no chance at all. Thankfully there is a God, and as a result, McCain with all his flaws will save us all from Obama or more likely Hillary.

yea but does you 4 yr old like Obama or the care bears better ?

thats a strange sentence .., does that mean that you know MCcain is shit & you still would rather have him no matter what ?

Some day your going to please let the uniformed know what jejejeje means lilmafia. To get back on topic, I think pretty much all of us have the same core needs. At the very least we all share a common interest...and I'm not referring to the ladies this time.

cracking Nagra3?:wow:

That's not exactly what I meant Eddie, but it's close enough. A sure fire way to get into Nagra3 would be even better than what I meant.:yes:

thats a strange sentence .., does that mean that you know MCcain is shit & you still would rather have him no matter what ?

Yeah, I am not impressed by him, but he does not want to destroy the nation like Obama and Hillary do.

I guess I don’t understand what the big problem is with people taking sides when it comes to Michael Moore. Whether you like him or whether you think he is the biggest horses A$$ in town, so what? He is who he is and the last time I checked nobody was being forced to sit thru one of his movies. As far as endorsing someone for President, he can endorse anybody he wants to endorse, to include you or me. Personally, I wouldn’t really want him to endorse me, but that’s another issue and I don’t want to get into that right now.

As far as disagreeing is concerned, disagreement in and of itself is not a bad thing. In fact, it does more good than anything else. Take for example, the thread about Social Security. A member posted some information that turned out to be inaccurate. Then another member did some research and posted accurate information from another source.

Now let’s take a minute to sit back and reflect on this. Granted, the member starting the thread got hold of some faulty, or misguided, information. I don’t think for one second that he started the thread to cause a problem or start a fight amongst the members. I think he started the thread because he was trying to inform us of what he perceived to be a real injustice and he wanted all of us to be aware of it.

When another member read it he did some research and discovered the information provided was inaccurate. Being a concerned member, he proceeded to post his findings and in so doing he enlightened everyone who took the time to read the thread. So, what it all boils down to is that by posting some inaccurate information it started members thinking and got them doing some research and in the end we all ended up learning something. So what’s wrong with that? What harm did it do? In the final analysis we ended up learning something. Isn’t that what life is all about? A process of continual learning?

So let's get off Michael Moore's back. If nothing else he has provided us with a means of social intercourse. It's time to put this thread to bed before it gets ugly. Besides, this thread is so far off track you may as well say it has been derailed.

Yeah, I am not impressed by him, but he does not want to destroy the nation like Obama and Hillary do.

WELL said.

Obama seems great for those who have not yet experienced life beyond mommy and daddy taking care of you. I mean after all, he is running on a platform of change, and houses built of puppies, marshmallows, and rainbows. I would love a house made of marshmallows and smiles. Then again I am 30, and have realized these are not realistic construction materials. I understand that my 4 year old supports Obama, she also like the care bears....

Hillary, well anyone who is married, or even believes in marriage, and not the faggot version, can see the problem with her. She belongs in the kitchen, and is a prime example of what happens when you let a woman speak with out being spoken too. I am not sexist. I fully believe women can contribute to society. Much in the same way retarded people can, greeting people at walmart.

McCain - he is old and a douche. After Bush he should have no chance at all. Thankfully there is a God, and as a result, McCain with all his flaws will save us all from Obama or more likely Hillary.

lol .....i couldn't agree any more! like him or not McCain is the lessor of the three evils.

As far as disagreeing is concerned, disagreement in and of itself is not a bad thing..

according to beehive21, by his definition ....it is being a BIGOT! LOL

Some day your going to please let the uniformed know what jejejeje means lilmafia. To get back on topic, I think pretty much all of us have the same core needs. At the very least we all share a common interest...and I'm not referring to the ladies this time.

Its the Spanish version of He!He!He! :cool: regarding the ladies Im interested :yes:

I guess I don’t understand what the big problem is with people taking sides when it comes to Michael Moore. Whether you like him or whether you think he is the biggest horses A$$ in town, so what? He is who he is and the last time I checked nobody was being forced to sit thru one of his movies.

Well-said. Excellent point! :)

Now lets all sit around da camp fire and sing Kumba ya! LOL Rowsdower welcome to VIP mang :cool: yer gonna like it here now wheres the ice chest

I guess I don’t understand what the big problem is with people taking sides when it comes to Michael Moore. Whether you like him or whether you think he is the biggest horses A$$ in town, so what? He is who he is and the last time I checked nobody was being forced to sit thru one of his movies. As far as endorsing someone for President, he can endorse anybody he wants to endorse, to include you or me. Personally, I wouldn’t really want him to endorse me, but that’s another issue and I don’t want to get into that right now.

As far as disagreeing is concerned, disagreement in and of itself is not a bad thing. In fact, it does more good than anything else. Take for example, the thread about Social Security. A member posted some information that turned out to be inaccurate. Then another member did some research and posted accurate information from another source.

Now let’s take a minute to sit back and reflect on this. Granted, the member starting the thread got hold of some faulty, or misguided, information. I don’t think for one second that he started the thread to cause a problem or start a fight amongst the members. I think he started the thread because he was trying to inform us of what he perceived to be a real injustice and he wanted all of us to be aware of it.

When another member read it he did some research and discovered the information provided was inaccurate. Being a concerned member, he proceeded to post his findings and in so doing he enlightened everyone who took the time to read the thread. So, what it all boils down to is that by posting some inaccurate information it started members thinking and got them doing some research and in the end we all ended up learning something. So what’s wrong with that? What harm did it do? In the final analysis we ended up learning something. Isn’t that what life is all about? A process of continual learning?

So let's get off Michael Moore's back. If nothing else he has provided us with a means of social intercourse. It's time to put this thread to bed before it gets ugly. Besides, this thread is so far off track you may as well say it has been derailed.

You are an outstanding moderator Bob. This place is quite lucky to have you. Thanks for taking the time.

You are an outstanding moderator Bob. This place is quite lucky to have you. Thanks for taking the time.

:yes:

lol .....i couldn't agree any more! like him or not McCain is the lessor of the three evils.

I would agree if he weren't "stuck on stupid" about Iraq, thats my only Issue with him ( but it to big to ignore) , I've heard nothing from him about Iraq, except "stay the course" , Victory is around the COrner, & we will never surrender . Great anymore Hallmark greeting cards you would like us to read :rolleyes: :rolleyes: , I wanna here his plan for Iraq , not more of these gay 1 liners that solve nothing , I wanna know how staying in Iraq longer is gonna make us safer, I wanna know how you think that your gonna force "democracy" on people who relate to Biblical times , I wanna know where all the God damn money for the oil thats being stolen daily from there ( estimate put @ 1 to 300,000 (wow that really narrows the gap:rolleyes: )gallons a day being stolen) is going . And last but not least I wanna know when we ( us gov) is gonna admit that the "iraq government " is a shame , until I hear otherwise I'm going with " were gettin the f out & thats that" obama

Eddie...here's what happens if we just up and leave Obama style.

The entire country falls into complete chaos which does the following:

a) Gives the terrorists a perfect base of operations even better than the one they had in Afghanistan

b) directly threatens access to not only Iraq's oil supply but also completely destabilizes the entire Persian Gulf and puts that nutcase in Iran in the driver's seat.

You think energy prices are bad now you ain't see nothing yet.

Had Bush followed McCain's plan when McCain first suggested it with the surge we'd already be a lot closer to the end of the road. The war was pooply managed from the get-go and only now is improving. There are WAY too many national security issues at stake in that part of the world to just up and run away. If we do that we're going to eventually have to go back and it'll be a lot uglier than the alternative of making this work now.

Can we bring democracy to those people? Beats me. But we absolutely, positively MUST maintain stability that favors our interests in that part of the world at long as we are dependant on oil. And like it or not that's not going to change any time soon. The only way to do that is to maintain a significant military presence there to keep the rest of them from getting froggy. It's chess man. Always has been.

we already made a mess. there is no easy way to clean it up. but to quit and just say f*** it like we did in vietnam after we already jumped in and did this would make even a bigger mess. I don't think anyone has all the answers. its a trick question.

Eddie...here's what happens if we just up and leave Obama style.

The entire country falls into complete chaos which does the following:

a) Gives the terrorists a perfect base of operations even better than the one they had in Afghanistan

b) directly threatens access to not only Iraq's oil supply but also completely destabilizes the entire Persian Gulf and puts that nutcase in Iran in the driver's seat.

You think energy prices are bad now you ain't see nothing yet.

Had Bush followed McCain's plan when McCain first suggested it with the surge we'd already be a lot closer to the end of the road. The war was pooply managed from the get-go and only now is improving. There are WAY too many national security issues at stake in that part of the world to just up and run away. If we do that we're going to eventually have to go back and it'll be a lot uglier than the alternative of making this work now.

Can we bring democracy to those people? Beats me. But we absolutely, positively MUST maintain stability that favors our interests in that part of the world at long as we are dependant on oil. And like it or not that's not going to change any time soon. The only way to do that is to maintain a significant military presence there to keep the rest of them from getting froggy. It's chess man. Always has been.

couldn't have been said any better...to cut-n-run now would spell disaster...

As long as there is no real topic in this thread, I thought I would share this article about the complete utter failure the Dems consider Iraq to be. By the way.....great post Hondo.

Back to Basra: Challenging the Blunderbusses
By Austin Bay
Wednesday, April 23, 2008

Remember the Iraqi government's Basra offensive, launched a month ago and quickly declared a failure by an overwhelming majority of the talk show and editorial commentators? "Basra Blunder" was the headline of a column that received wide distribution; the column described Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki as an inept, impulsive figure "in way over his head."

Today, Maliki and Iraqis in general have earned the right to sneer at such instant and shallow media negativism, for Knights Charge (code name for the anti-Shia gang offensive in Basra and southern Iraq) is proving to be an extraordinarily significant political and military operation with rather heady long-term payoffs.

That's key -- understanding Knights Charge is an integrated political-military operation. Maliki made it clear that this multidimensional operation was planned and executed by the Iraqis themselves and that the United States was not consulted. For this, his insta-critics chastised him. But Maliki knows his enemies, particularly Mahdi Army chieftain Moqtada al-Sadr.

Sadr would tout U.S. "prior approval" as proof Maliki is "a puppet." Instead, a democratically elected prime minister who happens to be a Shia ordered his nation's troops to strike a Shia gangster. The Iraqi government took the initiative -- now it stands to reap several impressive political benefits.

Even attempting Knights Charge signals increasing Iraqi confidence in their own capacities. Confidence does not ensure competence -- cockiness can get you killed -- but experienced military trainers and teachers know achieving trainee or student competence requires building confidence.

Knights Charge, however, was much more than a confidence-building measure; it may be the most decisive example of a country-building measure we have seen since Saddam fell in April 2003.

Knights Charge involved 15,000 soldiers deployed in six Iraqi Army combat brigades and one police brigade, or roughly two divisions of troops. I have helped plan division-sized mobile operations. Basra and Baghdad are complex urban terrain; moreover, they are politically complex, which amplifies risks. Planning the movement of seven brigades is itself a sophisticated task; executing the plan requires a sophistication that only comes from experience.

Knights Charge put boots and wheels and tracks on roads and into combat. Units coordinated supporting fires and maneuvered in close combat. Sometimes they failed. They needed U.S. and British artillery and air support -- but note they called for it. Here's the battle's bottom line: The various Shia gangs performed much worse. On April 20, The New York Times ran a story that said the Iraqi Army had taken the last Mahdi Army-controlled neighborhood in Basra.

The offensive put several serious Iraqi military problems on display -- tough, immediate medicine -- but what matters is how the leadership corrects them. Desert Storm demonstrated that some soldiers in some Iraqi units are unreliable. In 1991 and 2003, American forces exploited this moral flaw. During the early stages of Knights Charge, a disgusting percentage of Iraqi soldiers fled combat. The Iraqis have since sacked and publicly shamed 1,300 soldiers, which says Iraq's current leaders intend to fix the flaws.

When Knights Charge began, I wrote that the Maliki government knows first and foremost it is waging a political war. Long ago, it decided to isolate and "suffocate" Sadr. In the wake of Knights Charge, Sadr is being publicly mocked.

Fierce Iraq Kurd and Sunni Arab political support for Knights Charge has strengthened Maliki's government -- that's nation-building by the Iraqis themselves. I believe this was the Iraqi government's key strategic domestic objective. In over their heads or a heady move?

Knights Charge demonstrates the Iraqi democratic government's expanding reach and increasing effectiveness. Iran's mullah dictatorship will always try to destabilize Iraq, that's a given. But now Tehran says publicly it supports the Iraqi government's counterinsurgent efforts. Why? Fair bet the smart mullahs have noticed the political success of Knights Charge as well as the Iraqi military's improving counterinsurgency capabilities. Unfortunately, the Basra blunderbusses in the American media haven't.



Austin Bay Austin Bay is author of three novels. His third novel, The Wrong Side of Brightness, was published by Putnam/Jove in June 2003. He has also co-authored four non-fiction books, to include A Quick and Dirty Guide to War: Third Edition (with James Dunnigan, Morrow, 1996).

Yeah! and if we just let the Bush tax cuts work because you know the economy is booming because of them. Well maybe not booming, but growing. Well maybe not growing but holding steady. Well maybe not holding steady - just forget it then.

And we had to go into Iraq because the president said so and because he had better information than we did. No wait. He had awful information but he didn't know it was awful until 2004, and we've only been getting our guys killed for four unnecessary years.

And the tax rebates are so cool, coming in the spring like they do. No wait. Isn't that the time of year EVERY YEAR when gasoline prices skyrocket? Still, it's our money and we can choose to walk 35 miles to work - - -

Oh yeah. I like those wiretaps. We need those wiretaps. We are so much safer with those wiretaps - -- No proud American would complain about wiretaps without warrants.

Yeah and healthcare too. We really have a great deal.


In truth, of course, GW Bush is destroying this country and may be looking to finish the job by his departure.

Michael Moore is a talented documentary filmmaker who ought to lose some weight, shave and stick to what he does well.

Lone Cloud U have your opinoin like every one else, and that is all well and good but, Let's say Al Gore was the man in charge, or even John Kerry do u really think that they would have been proactive and went after the terriorists from 911 the way Bush did. And You say he is getting our guy's killed unnecessary if he did not do what he did and invade iraq when he did we would no doubt be facing them here at home and my have to yet but at least he has the balls to fight. Clinton had numerous chances to go after bin laden and did not if he had this may not have happened. As for the oil there is plenty in the alaska region i believe correct me if i am wrong, and is it not the conversationist's that r saying it will destroy the habbitat up there for the elk moose bear what ever else is up there, and i think they found some huge deposits off the shores of florida and cant drill. All i can say is wake up if we have to rely on foreign oil for much longer it wont matter if we kill a few bear or fish. The one's fighting to stop it let them take a long look at the prices of food along with the gas prices it all go's full circle and comes back to who has the balls lead. Dont flame just my opinon

but george got the guy that tried to shoot his daddy.

the price of gas is up.

we didn't find wepons of mas destruction. this is either because there is nor was none. they are burried in the sand or were taken across the border and are now in the hands of terrorist.

Yeah! and if we just let the Bush tax cuts work because you know the economy is booming because of them. Well maybe not booming, but growing. Well maybe not growing but holding steady. Well maybe not holding steady - just forget it then.

And we had to go into Iraq because the president said so and because he had better information than we did. No wait. He had awful information but he didn't know it was awful until 2004, and we've only been getting our guys killed for four unnecessary years.

And the tax rebates are so cool, coming in the spring like they do. No wait. Isn't that the time of year EVERY YEAR when gasoline prices skyrocket? Still, it's our money and we can choose to walk 35 miles to work - - -

Oh yeah. I like those wiretaps. We need those wiretaps. We are so much safer with those wiretaps - -- No proud American would complain about wiretaps without warrants.

Yeah and healthcare too. We really have a great deal.


In truth, of course, GW Bush is destroying this country and may be looking to finish the job by his departure.

Michael Moore is a talented documentary filmmaker who ought to lose some weight, shave and stick to what he does well.

now i'm not a GW Bush fan ,but what he started has to be finished or some other country will finish it for us ,not to our favor

it's very easy to blame what's going on with the U.S. economy on just one person

BUT

did GW Bush move all our jobs to China ? NO

who is buying all the Made in China junk ? We are ,well i try not to buy Made in China junk

who puts up with the health care system ? We do

who puts up with all the other complaints people have about the U.S.A ? We do


This is a country founded by "WE THE PEOPLE".

and until "WE THE PEOPLE" get off our lazy A$$s nothing is going to change


I bet you a tank of gas that if people started to protest the gas prices, you will see it lowered


also Mikey Moore is a fat slob but i like the fact that he is tell us his point of view

interesting Dubya had the ball to fight eh? Why did he duck out of service then? Its one thing to send someone Else's kid to die and another to actually go yourself. I really do not think anyone could have f--ked up the war in Iraq anymore than Dubya did (hell a friggin monkey with a lobotomy could have prolly done better) say what you will about John Kerry but at least he was there in Nam and served

Now to say we would be fighting them here if we had not gone into Iraq is asinine, I was there during the first Gulf War and we could have easily taken Saddam out then but you know what we didn't why because Dubya I had the foresight to know that we would be considered invaders among st the Arabs and it would turn into a quagmire (funny huh?) the simple fact is this we dropped the ball in Afghanistan and f--ked up in Iraq any good soldier knows you don't bring a knife to a gun battle being that Dubya isn't one (or was one) guess what he bought neither he showed up with balloons and fireworks (shocked and left in awe) we still are :barf:

interesting Dubya had the ball to fight eh? Why did he duck out of service then? Its one thing to send someone Else's kid to die and another to actually go yourself.

Because the Bush administration is filled with chickenhawks. A bunch of people who think war is just dandy when others are fighting, but ducked out when they had the chance to fight themselves.

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until then we'll have to deal with gearge bush.

Eddie...here's what happens if we just up and leave Obama style.

The entire country falls into complete chaos which does the following:

a) Gives the terrorists a perfect base of operations even better than the one they had in Afghanistan

b) directly threatens access to not only Iraq's oil supply but also completely destabilizes the entire Persian Gulf and puts that nutcase in Iran in the driver's seat.

You think energy prices are bad now you ain't see nothing yet.

Had Bush followed McCain's plan when McCain first suggested it with the surge we'd already be a lot closer to the end of the road. The war was pooply managed from the get-go and only now is improving. There are WAY too many national security issues at stake in that part of the world to just up and run away. If we do that we're going to eventually have to go back and it'll be a lot uglier than the alternative of making this work now.

Can we bring democracy to those people? Beats me. But we absolutely, positively MUST maintain stability that favors our interests in that part of the world at long as we are dependant on oil. And like it or not that's not going to change any time soon. The only way to do that is to maintain a significant military presence there to keep the rest of them from getting froggy. It's chess man. Always has been.
look as it stands right now if obama were to win we would not just up and leave by the end of 2009 there would still be over 120,000 , thats 2 years away , how many more f'n years do you want ? Some seem to think obama or hillary would leave immediatley , which is not True they would pull like 1 to 2 brigades out a month , meaning were still gonna be in that hell whole well until the end of 2010 , if that is not enuff time I don't know what is , Meanwhile you got saudi arabia ( the real 9/11 killers) arming sunnis to the gills in Iraq , then you got Al-sadar (shiite)( the next president of Iraq , and yes he seems way worse than sadam ) with his army of 100,000 troops (also armed to the teeth) just waiting to kill each other , the only thing thats half way working in Iraq is the Fact that were paying them off ( yep thats right ones who were killing our soldier are now being payed in cash) , Another fact were gonna have to talk to Iran , as they now run that region ( thanx to us we broke the shiite's free (what iranians are) , there is no such thing as victory in Iraq , pull the troops out ( again were talking 2 years or more) and let allah sort em out ( the sunni vs shitte war) fuk those camel fukers !

but who am i I have ehard well if we didn't put up with it. well guess what we have. we have no choice. this war is going nowhere and there is no way out. we pay 3.50 and it will be four soon. double than before we got into this.

If we were going in to take over or do something to help america like take the damn oilfields or get it so we could afford oil. sure let it rip potato chip. lets go get some dune coons.

but to send our own people to die so that everyone else in our country can suffer so opec can get rich.

I'm sorry but I have no patriotizm anymore.

and before i get attcked for this my father was wwII flew in the navy was navel intelegence and he lost his along time ago. was decorated with all the buttons and bows and got the only jap sub during wwII with a navel aircraft. he said he never was sure weather it was a sub or he blew up a whale.lol

they need to do something besides just sit there as targets for these crazy people that have no respect for human lives including there own.

Lone Cloud U have your opinoin like every one else, and that is all well and good but, Let's say Al Gore was the man in charge, or even John Kerry do u really think that they would have been proactive and went after the terriorists from 911 the way Bush did.

What???? Went after the terrorists from 911??? When? Dubya sent far less soldiers to Afganistan in search of Bin Laden than he did going into Iraq. And just who is still at large???? The main terrorist who actually successfully planned and carried out an attack, that's who. Went after him? Yeah....right.....

Lone Cloud U have your opinoin like every one else, and that is all well and good but, Let's say Al Gore was the man in charge, or even John Kerry do u really think that they would have been proactive and went after the terriorists from 911 the way Bush did. And You say he is getting our guy's killed unnecessary if he did not do what he did and invade iraq when he did we would no doubt be facing them here at home and my have to yet but at least he has the balls to fight. Clinton had numerous chances to go after bin laden and did not if he had this may not have happened. As for the oil there is plenty in the alaska region i believe correct me if i am wrong, and is it not the conversationist's that r saying it will destroy the habbitat up there for the elk moose bear what ever else is up there, and i think they found some huge deposits off the shores of florida and cant drill. All i can say is wake up if we have to rely on foreign oil for much longer it wont matter if we kill a few bear or fish. The one's fighting to stop it let them take a long look at the prices of food along with the gas prices it all go's full circle and comes back to who has the balls lead. Dont flame just my opinon
No we would have went to Saudi arbia & destroyed them ( where 15 of 19 highjackers were from), then off to Afghanistan , but instead el dhipshit decides that we need to Invade Iraq
( which had Absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11) which was and always will be a mistake:grr: Now we got a huger problem in Pakisatan , but were fighting them over there , so we don't have to fight them here ( possibly the dumbest statement in History , cause it's not like they can by a plane ticket , sneak in thru the border or one of 1,000 other ways to create chaos:rolleyes: ) this war in Iraq will be the downfall for the republicans & Mccain this fall , how you call 2 + years of another 120,000 troops "cut & running " is beyond me , and also when/if another terrorist attack happens on us soil & we don't have the resources to fight back because of this GD war in Iraq , You guys will be the ones thinking , hey wait maybe we shouldn't have been in Iraq . but I got a simple way to end this all , lets let the Military & there families vote , if they say leave Iraq , then we do ( which they will , just look why they support Obama because they want out) , and they know there is Nothing to gain in Iraq , besides let all them dam private contractors handle the mess , they seem to like it , so let them take over , quit Destroying the US Military

No we would have went to Saudi arbia & destroyed them ( where 15 of 19 highjackers were from), then off to Afghanistan , but instead el dhipshit decides that we need to Invade Iraq
( which had Absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11) which was and always will be a mistake:grr: Now we got a huger problem in Pakisatan , but were fighting them over there , so we don't have to fight them here ( possibly the dumbest statement in History , cause it's not like they can by a plane ticket , sneak in thru the border or one of 1,000 other ways to create chaos:rolleyes: ) this war in Iraq will be the downfall for the republicans & Mccain this fall , how you call 2 + years of another 120,000 troops "cut & running " is beyond me , and also when/if another terrorist attack happens on us soil & we don't have the resources to fight back because of this GD war in Iraq , You guys will be the ones thinking , hey wait maybe we shouldn't have been in Iraq . but I got a simple way to end this all , lets let the Military & there families vote , if they say leave Iraq , then we do ( which they will , just look why they support Obama because they want out) , and they know there is Nothing to gain in Iraq , besides let all them dam private contractors handle the mess , they seem to like it , so let them take over , quit Destroying the US Military

....and economy.

now i'm not a GW Bush fan ,but what he started has to be finished or some other country will finish it for us ,not to our favor

it's very easy to blame what's going on with the U.S. economy on just one person

BUT

did GW Bush move all our jobs to China ? NO

who is buying all the Made in China junk ? We are ,well i try not to buy Made in China junk

who puts up with the health care system ? We do

who puts up with all the other complaints people have about the U.S.A ? We do


This is a country founded by "WE THE PEOPLE".

and until "WE THE PEOPLE" get off our lazy A$$s nothing is going to change


I bet you a tank of gas that if people started to protest the gas prices, you will see it lowered


also Mikey Moore is a fat slob but i like the fact that he is tell us his point of view

sure that asshole has outsourced more jobs than you can shake a stick at , he's capitalist pig , why you think he loves nafta , he want a gay wedding between Mexico, US, & Canada !

....and economy.


oh yeah Issue number 2 , don't even get me started on that :grr: :grr: :grr:

....and economy.

What economy? LOL :blink:

President Bush outsourced jobs? Really?

yep he almost sold out our ports security too mang :cool:

this has been the best thead ever even though it is a train wreck.lol

we need to do this one night when the boxes are down but hell this is better than tv.

this has been the best thead ever even though it is a train wreck.lol

we need to do this one night when the boxes are down but hell this is better than tv.

Nope its an open thread Mikey Moore is just part of the Bigger Picture but you need to be really f--ked up to see it but its early still a couple more shots of Grey Goose and Red Bull and it will be clear as mud :beer:

but i do agree with hondo buy a solder lunch is a good thing. so many of the guys that rasied me as a child where called baby killers and had things thown at them.

it just drives me nuts to see our guys over there. can't leave. we pay. i'll go try that red bull george dickle thig so maybe i'll understand it.

Nope its an open thread Mikey Moore is just part of the Bigger Picture but you need to be really f--ked up to see it but its early still a couple more shots of Grey Goose and Red Bull and it will be clear as mud :beer:

I workin as hard as I can on that......:lol: :lol: :wow: and :beer: to you

I workin as hard as I can on that......:lol: :lol: :wow: and :beer: to you

Same to you bud yep Beer the international peace maker (until everyone gets messed up and some one grabs somebodies ol ladies backside) then the chairs start flying LOL!
Mister piano man play something!!! :beer:

i was only joking about other post. this has been educational, amusing,informative, and so much better than TV.

But without all of this I would still not know who micheal moore is (I reaserched this and still not sure) i just know if he indorses you you won't make it. I think he did it to help hillary.

lets enjoy the beer and the piano for a bit.:beer: :beer: :beer:

and if you get a chance to pray to whatever god you worship put in a good word for the guys that have to pay so gas will go up. will ya.

i just try tp find humor in tragity. I laugh and smile to keep from crying.:beer: :beer:

Yeah! and if we just let the Bush tax cuts work because you know the economy is booming because of them. Well maybe not booming, but growing. Well maybe not growing but holding steady. Well maybe not holding steady - just forget it then.

And we had to go into Iraq because the president said so and because he had better information than we did. No wait. He had awful information but he didn't know it was awful until 2004, and we've only been getting our guys killed for four unnecessary years.

And the tax rebates are so cool, coming in the spring like they do. No wait. Isn't that the time of year EVERY YEAR when gasoline prices skyrocket? Still, it's our money and we can choose to walk 35 miles to work - - -

Oh yeah. I like those wiretaps. We need those wiretaps. We are so much safer with those wiretaps - -- No proud American would complain about wiretaps without warrants.

Yeah and healthcare too. We really have a great deal.


In truth, of course, GW Bush is destroying this country and may be looking to finish the job by his departure.

Michael Moore is a talented documentary filmmaker who ought to lose some weight, shave and stick to what he does well.


Tell ya what.

I have MORE BUSINESS than I have ever had. I already have secured over 14M in work for this year, so get off your sorry ass and do something for yourself. Complaining on this board isn't gonna get ya brownie points, or make your teepee any better. If ya want something done ...DO IT. Don't talk about it.

Yes ...several folks here on this board know me personally, and my type of work. I CAN back up what I say.

you are right on this one no matter what idiot they put in the spotlight and call him leader we have no other choice but to take care of ourselves. economy who cares. i have found no matter what the news says i ahve no choice but to dig thru the ruins and get a paycheck anyway. its better than starving. ok one more question do you need any help?

but she is an editor. but i lovw her anyway. lol

Tell ya what.

I have MORE BUSINESS than I have ever had. I already have secured over 14M in work for this year, so get off your sorry ass and do something for yourself. Complaining on this board isn't gonna get ya brownie points, or make your teepee any better. If ya want something done ...DO IT. Don't talk about it.

Yes ...several folks here on this board know me personally, and my type of work. I CAN back up what I say.

Yup, he don't bullshit:no: now that said, ya want something, get it:yes:
can't afford it don't buy it:no:

ya want something, get it, can't afford it don't buy it:no:

BANG ON

Tell ya what.

I have MORE BUSINESS than I have ever had. I already have secured over 14M in work for this year, so get off your sorry ass and do something for yourself. Complaining on this board isn't gonna get ya brownie points, or make your teepee any better. If ya want something done ...DO IT. Don't talk about it.

Yes ...several folks here on this board know me personally, and my type of work. I CAN back up what I say.

are you a hitman?:wacko: :wacko: :p

are you a hitman?:wacko: :wacko: :p

I hope that remark was a joke.

I hope that remark was a joke.

Nope, I'm sure the :p was added at the end to emphasize how serious his question was. :lol:

are you a hitman?:wacko: :wacko: :p

Shhhh! mang no say bout da hit ay :cool:

first post as a VIP. thank you

first post as a VIP. thank you

welcome to vip...

:beer: :beer: personal thatnks to all of you.

I wonder how many of those reps were earned just in this thread... :D

Nope, I'm sure the :p was added at the end to emphasize how serious his question was. :lol:

:lol: That was just too damn funny. :D

and if i remember right, sometimes I have trouble remebering stuff in the morning,lol I was the second vip to come to vip in this thread. thanks guys.

Now back to the original purpose of this thread

Wheres the beer? :blink:

Now back to the original purpose of this thread

Wheres the beer? :blink:

Michael Moore looks like he may be hiding a case or two in there someplace. :yes:

Now back to the original purpose of this thread

Wheres the beer? :blink:

There was a purpose to this thread?......:D :D :p

Michael Moore looks like he may be hiding a case or two in there someplace. :yes:

What was that scene in the old Cheech & Chong movie where the DEA guy is on the radio and says this is code name Hard hat! Hard Hat! and Cheech replies lard Ass! Lard Ass! is that who you were talking about? Oh Mikey Moore sorry carry on :cool:

What was that scene in the old Cheech & Chong movie where the DEA guy is on the radio and says this is code name Hard hat! Hard Hat! and Cheech replies lard Ass! Lard Ass! is that who you were talking about? Oh Mikey Moore sorry carry on :cool:

boy, that was a long time ago...gee, we're getting old mang!...lol

boy, that was a long time ago...gee, we're getting old mang!...lol

Up in Smoke if I am not mistaken LOL! :cool:

Yar, that's the one! LOL

Nope ...not a hitman. I'm A PE who does design build for water and waste water. I not only do design work, but also have crews, and SEVERAL dollars fo equipment that do the actual installation. My specialty is DEEP sanitary sewer, that over 30' deep. that's where the money is.

Lone Cloud claims to be an American Indian. I hear folks crying over how the Black community, the Mexican community and the Indians were and are done wrong. GET OVER IT ALL READY! It's time to get off your ass and do something for yourself. I've heard this stuff so much I could just vomit. I personally don't feel sorry for anyone. People for the most part make their own breaks thru sacrifice and hard work. I know folks of all races who do very well.

Last year, both papa63 and Weblady have visited me at some of my projects. That's how these 2 can say for sure that I am what I say. I'm not depending on my government, my next door neighbor, or my parents to give me anything. I have spent the better part of 30 years making it what it is. This came from hard work, dedication and sometimes some dumb luck. Price of fuel is high, but why bitch. My fuel bill this month alone will almost top the 100K mark. I plan on that, and my busy season hasn't even started yet.

Nope ...not a hitman. I'm A PE who does design build for water and waste water. I not only do design work, but also have crews, and SEVERAL dollars fo equipment that do the actual installation. My specialty is DEEP sanitary sewer, that over 30' deep. that's where the money is.

Lone Cloud claims to be an American Indian. I hear folks crying over how the Black community, the Mexican community and the Indians were and are done wrong. GET OVER IT ALL READY! It's time to get off your ass and do something for yourself. I've heard this stuff so much I could just vomit. I personally don't feel sorry for anyone. People for the most part make their own breaks thru sacrifice and hard work. I know folks of all races who do very well.

Last year, both papa63 and Weblady have visited me at some of my projects. That's how these 2 can say for sure that I am what I say. I'm not depending on my government, my next door neighbor, or my parents to give me anything. I have spent the better part of 30 years making it what it is. This came from hard work, dedication and sometimes some dumb luck. Price of fuel is high, but why bitch. My fuel bill this month alone will almost top the 100K mark. I plan on that, and my busy season hasn't even started yet.

and you should be proud...you got your's the old fashion way...you EARNED it.:yes: :yes:

I have read thru this thread from the begining and its so crazy. no one ask if the new bin was out, no puff questions.

it must have a purpase.:beer:

trying new profile since this thread is derailed and ahs no purpase but has 200 hits i figured you may let me slide.:beer: :beer:

sorry maf needed a test page thought this was a good as any. what was we talking about oh yeah moore beer or something.

Nope ...not a hitman. I'm A PE who does design build for water and waste water. I not only do design work, but also have crews, and SEVERAL dollars fo equipment that do the actual installation. My specialty is DEEP sanitary sewer, that over 30' deep . that's where the money is.

Lone Cloud claims to be an American Indian. I hear folks crying over how the Black community, the Mexican community and the Indians were and are done wrong. GET OVER IT ALL READY! It's time to get off your ass and do something for yourself. I've heard this stuff so much I could just vomit. I personally don't feel sorry for anyone. People for the most part make their own breaks thru sacrifice and hard work. I know folks of all races who do very well.

Last year, both papa63 and Weblady have visited me at some of my projects. That's how these 2 can say for sure that I am what I say. I'm not depending on my government, my next door neighbor, or my parents to give me anything. I have spent the better part of 30 years making it what it is. This came from hard work, dedication and sometimes some dumb luck. Price of fuel is high, but why bitch. My fuel bill this month alone will almost top the 100K mark. I plan on that, and my busy season hasn't even started yet.

So have you seen bush lately. lol:p :p

not a hit man. you missed it by an s. does anyone else not see this S**tman. ok i said it. laugh all the way to the bank magic. wish i was there.

i had to say something he was trying to degrade you into a lower tax braket.lol

Tax bracket? Whats that? By the time everybody gets paid, I'm no different ahan anyone else. I work for a living. I just got ALOT more and BIGGER bills, but I make it, and did it my way.

you did it instead of cring how bad everything is you did something about it.

Hondo & Chuck, you guys are in the wrong line of work. Your level-headed comments brought serenity to one of the two deadliest topics that could ever be open for discussion - Politics and Religion. All twelve pages of discussion were done in a mature, respectful manner, i.e. NO ONE making personal or derogatory remarks about someone who posted an opinion that was contrary to what was being discussed.

Was the thread "hi-jacked"? That would seem to be relative to what was being discussed in any particular section of the thread. It started off I think, being about Michael Moore and digressed in to oil, the Iraqi War being worse than Viet-Nam (I disagree, but you had to be there to understand):wow: , patriotism concerning one political party over another, yet, it was done maturely.:yes:

Congratulations EVERYONE!!!:yes: :beer: :beer:

Back to lurk mode,
jr

Hondo & Chuck, you guys are in the wrong line of work. Your level-headed comments brought serenity to one of the two deadliest topics that could ever be open for discussion - Politics and Religion. All twelve pages of discussion were done in a mature, respectful manner, i.e. NO ONE making personal or derogatory remarks about someone who posted an opinion that was contrary to what was being discussed.

Was the thread "hi-jacked"? That would seem to be relative to what was being discussed in any particular section of the thread. It started off I think, being about Michael Moore and digressed in to oil, the Iraqi War being worse than Viet-Nam (I disagree, but you had to be there to understand):wow: , patriotism concerning one political party over another, yet, it was done maturely.:yes:

Congratulations EVERYONE!!!:yes: :beer: :beer:

Back to lurk mode,
jr

lol ...see ....we can play nice:yes:

michael moore.. haha funny guy. very passionate i must say.