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mohsinic
01-14-2008, 01:28 PM
Now I have a Problem. When I change the sat in the Antenna search to the ES7 119W I only get like 126 channels but when i use the ES1,2 settings in the Antenna search i get like 214 channels on the same LNB. So I don;t know how to use get the same channels using the 119W. I Also tried doing the Auto and Blind search scan options but the same results. I don;t know how to solve this. Also Is there some way to use the Same sat. for two lnbs? b/c If i just try using the same sat. one two lnbs one of them don't work then. If you guys have any insights this would help greatly. Thank you

sp0iler
01-14-2008, 04:33 PM
What type of dish are you using ? What sats are you aimed at...Ie:110 & 119 ?
When you enter ES7 what sat reports in the bottom right corner ? Is your transponder on the 119 showing 12224 ? If its not...change it so it is.
Feed us some more info and we'll try to help out,
Sp0iler

mohsinic
01-14-2008, 09:53 PM
I am pointed @ 119(lnb1) and 61.5(lnb2). When i set it to ES7 it shows that its found ES7 in red on bottom right hand corner but it does the same even if i set it up as ES1,2. I don't know what meant by that number 12224 if thats the freq. then I believe it goes thru it b/c when i do blind scan it picks up some channels on one transponder and more channels on the other transponders in total it goes thru 39 transponders if setup for ES1,2 but when i do Es7 it only goes thru 32 transponders even if i do blind scan. Also If i set LNB2 for ES1,2 I get more channels and I get EPG. If i set it up as 61.5 then it shows EPG and Channels names on the Box's front but i get less channels as in it will show weak signal for some channels that were working fine under ES1,2 on LNB2. I hope i didn;t confuse you further. Also what should be set for LNB Freq. on LNB1 and LNB2?

sp0iler
01-15-2008, 03:45 AM
Interesting problem you have.Sounds like your hitting the 119 okay.You should stay on ES7 and work with that sat first.Your LNB freq. should be set to 11.250.
32 transponders is normal.The first transponder in the list should be set to 12224.It should'nt matter that you get signal when you bring up other sats in your settings.Your on the 119 no matter what sat you stop at.With that thought in mind,I would think you have some type of setting problem somewhere.I've not been able to recreat your problem.When I scan the 148 I get less channels as would be expected.Opposit from your results.
Just for grinns...try this set up and see what you get.

Sat: ES7 (119w)
Transponder: 12224
LNB: 11250
LNB type: OCS-DP
22khz: auto
Diseqc: LNB1
Legacy: off
Motor : None

Do an auto scan and post your results.Hopefully you'll get better results when you scan.If not...we'll try some other things.
Good luck,
Sp0iler

mohsinic
01-15-2008, 01:52 PM
I did as you asked and it gave me 120 channels but when i do it under ES1,2 i get around 230 channels. Same thing wid lnb2 i get more channels if i scan under es1,2 settings. Any other information would be great. Tanks

joer
01-15-2008, 02:16 PM
:wacko:

Back to lurk mode,
jr

sp0iler
01-15-2008, 06:08 PM
Okay....I need to regroup on this one.
First...this settup has absolutly worked for you in the past ?? Yes ??
I agree with joer....to hit two sats that far apart ( 50 degree's) is a pretty good feat for one dish,but I've heard of stranger things for sure.I heard of a guy who new someone that said he heard of a guy who had a cousin that had a nephew that was able to get sats that far apart.He just happened to live at the right place in a bulding that let him get some reception from the reflected sat signal off the tinfoiled windows of the high rise nextdoor to him......Thats what I heard anyway.
Anyway....Im gonna guess that you already went through the basics.You did a factory reset and loaded the latest bin.You reset your lnbs after that and you enabled the patch.You tried to scan again and got the same results.
What settings are you using ? What type of lnb's are you using ? What are your signal and quality percentages ? Do you live where it snows ?? :) (Thats a joke)
Keep the input coming and someone will figure it out.A puzzler for me for sure.
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mohsinic
01-15-2008, 07:33 PM
No your exactly right i think i should have mentioned this before sorry. Okay I moved into a house, previous owner had 3 dishs one with two lnbs and the rest with ones. I pointed one of the dishes with one lnb towards 61.5 and i left the rest b/c in this case the dish500 was pointing towards 119 and 110. I havn't figured out what the last one is pointing @ b/c I did not need it. So i decided on putting the 119 on the disec as lnb1 and 61.5 on lnb2 and 110 on lnb 3. So thats how I am getting 119,61.5 and 110 on the settings when I switch lnbs. Maybe the disec switch is messing up and its letting the signals just bleed thru together instead of separating them. I don't know I am kinda new to this I mean i got all the pointing done and everything and I know its gotta to be a settings issue but i cannot figure it out. Do you think if i switch lnb 2 with 3 it would make a difference?

mohsinic
01-15-2008, 07:35 PM
Also does it make a difference if the settings are changed from normal lnb to the OCS-dp one? and should i do this for all of them or just one.

DJMBS
01-15-2008, 07:42 PM
Duplicate post

DJMBS
01-15-2008, 07:43 PM
I can understand that you're getting less channels than expected with the OCS-DP setting.. Unless you are using a DP lnb on that particular dish, I'll bet you're using a legacy... so you would need to set LNB Type to Standard...

When you set to DP, it assumes a DP "band-stacked" signal, and does not switch voltages to the LNB, so you are stuck with 19 volts out to the LNB, thus no polarity switching from Left to Right-handed polarities...

Set it to Standard, and I bet you get more channels...

DJMBS

mohsinic
01-15-2008, 08:19 PM
Can i look @ the dish and figure out if its standard or dp? or are we sutck with guessing? I would figure that the dish with 500 would have the dp lnb b/c it looks newer but as i said i can only guess. but do you think the disec would be a problem cause m just using the one that came with my cw800 when i bought it.

DJMBS
01-15-2008, 08:22 PM
All DP LNBs have an obvious and easily visible black DP logo on them...

See page 10 of this link...http://www.solidsignal.com/dishnetwork/DISH_Pro-DISH_Pro_Plus_Information_Documents/Introduction_to_DISH_Pro_Technology.pdf

Enjoy..

DJMBS

mohsinic
01-15-2008, 08:37 PM
okay i went to look @ my dual lnb dish and it says HDTV not DP so I'm guessing thats its standard ones. but the dish does say Super Dish 500 on it.

sp0iler
01-16-2008, 05:42 AM
okay i went to look @ my dual lnb dish and it says HDTV not DP so I'm guessing thats its standard ones. but the dish does say Super Dish 500 on it.

If I were you,I would dump the odd dish for the moment and work just with the super dish for now.Confirm your pointing at the 119 and 110.Set 119 to lnb 1 and the 110 to lnb 2.Posting your current settings will be a huge help.Standard settings for the super dish should get you DN without any problems.Confirm you can get this to work for you.If not......theres something else wrong.
Post those settings for us.
Good luck,
Sp0iler

joer
01-16-2008, 07:58 AM
okay i went to look @ my dual lnb dish and it says HDTV not DP so I'm guessing thats its standard ones. but the dish does say Super Dish 500 on it.

:p

Back to lurk mode,
jr

mohsinic
01-16-2008, 09:43 PM
okay so i was playing around with it yesterday and heres my settings right now. btw every channel is working right now and I am getting all the channels that i ever got.
LNB1:
Sat: ES3(61.5)
Transponder: 12224
LNB Freq: 11250
LNB Type: Normal
22hz: Auto
LNB2:
SAT: ES1,2(148)
Transponder: 12224
LNB Freq: 11250
LNB Type: Normal
22hz: Auto
LNB3:
SAT: ES6,8
Transponder: 12224
LNB Freq: 11250
LNB Type: Normal
22hz: Auto
Reminder:
LNB1 pointed @ 119W
LNB2 pointed @ 61.5W
LNB3 pointed @ 110W
I am getting some 430+ Channels and no channels shows weak signal. If you noticed I switched Sat from lnb1 to lnb2 and it works. I mean i like it when the box says the channels name on it on the front but its not a deal breaker. And I get some of the epgs not all of them.

sp0iler
01-17-2008, 03:59 AM
okay so i was playing around with it yesterday and heres my settings right now. btw every channel is working right now and I am getting all the channels that i ever got.
LNB1:
Sat: ES3(61.5)
Transponder: 12224
LNB Freq: 11250
LNB Type: Normal
22hz: Auto
LNB2:
SAT: ES1,2(148)
Transponder: 12224
LNB Freq: 11250
LNB Type: Normal
22hz: Auto
LNB3:
SAT: ES6,8
Transponder: 12224
LNB Freq: 11250
LNB Type: Normal
22hz: Auto
Reminder:
LNB1 pointed @ 119W
LNB2 pointed @ 61.5W
LNB3 pointed @ 110W
I am getting some 430+ Channels and no channels shows weak signal. If you noticed I switched Sat from lnb1 to lnb2 and it works. I mean i like it when the box says the channels name on it on the front but its not a deal breaker. And I get some of the epgs not all of them.

Wow....what a mess you have.With three sats you should have well over 600 channels.I get 605 off the 119 and 110 alone.Alot of repeat's but there all there to view.
Obviously,in your settings......if LNB 1 is pointed at the 119 as described,then your settings should reflect just that.119 on lnb1,110 is normaly on lnb2 and the odd sat would be on lnb3.
Do I understand that your on two dishes right ? 1 is a dish 500 with dual lnb's ? If this is true,I would suggest again that you loose the odd dish and work just with the dish 500 for now.
Your settings will look like this.
Sat :119
Transponder: 12224
lnb freq: 11250
lnb type: ocs-dp
22khz: auto
Diseqc: lnb1
Legacy: off
Motor: none

Sat:110
Transponder: 12224
lnb freq: 11250
lnb type: ocs-dp
22khz: auto
diseqc: lnb2
legacy: off
Motor: none

If Im understanding your settup (I may be confused) and all is pointing at the right sats,then these settings will get you the same 605 channels I get.Once you get that far...then try setting up your odd sat on lnb3 for the additional channels your looking for.There is something wrong over there for sure but I think its probably just a setting issue.
Keep working on your problem.Its an interesting one.
Thanks,
Sp0iler

sp0iler
01-18-2008, 04:06 AM
I learned one thing while trying to recreate your problem.I noticed that sometimes when I loaded a different bin,LNB-1 on sat 148 would be in the on posistion.For me...it didnt make any difference in my scanning but I thought it was a good idea to trun that lnb off anyway.When I first noticed this situation I really thought I was onto something but my scan had no change.The only thing I could do to recreate a "missing channel" senario was to turn one of my lnb's to "Normal" and the other (lnb) as ocs-dp.As if I forgot to change one.This caused me to loose about half of my channels on the 110.A simple change back and a rescan and all is well again.Thats all I could do and for now....all I can tell you.
Good luck and let us know how it works out for ya,
Sp0iler

mohsinic
01-24-2008, 11:18 AM
Okay Spoiler I did what you said setup my lnbs as you said. Now the problem I am getting is that sometimes the Channels work as in good quality but sometimes they don't as it shows weak signal on the screen. Should i switch the disec switch out with the DN switch or that wouldn't make a difference. sorry it toke so long but i just got swamped @ work. So do u have any more suggestions? I mean I don't understand why it would do that. It works perfectly fine one moment but then when i switch to a channel and try to switch back to that channel it doesn't work. Please Advise. and thanks for all your help I did end up getting 600+ channels with just the first 2 lnbs.

sp0iler
01-24-2008, 04:30 PM
Glad to hear you have some success with more channles.Im still a bit unclear as to which LNB's you actually have,I would say go ahead and remove the external switch.Ill bet there's a built in switch in the LNB's.Also check all of your connections well and make sure you have a good ground throughout your entire system.A poor ground causes the weirdest problems sometimes.
Of course you know we're down right now on most channels.Im sure a new fix will be out soon.
Hope you get it worked out.
Sp0iler

mohsinic
01-25-2008, 07:47 AM
Well I am using the switch to combine to LNB1(119) and LNB2(110) and LNB(61.5 - unconnected right now but i would like to use it) and b4 they were using a Dish Pro switch to combine the 3 lnbs. It was all wired all neatly so I didn't want to run my own wiring the only thing i changed was the switch. Would it make a difference in this case?

sp0iler
01-26-2008, 08:12 AM
Well I am using the switch to combine to LNB1(119) and LNB2(110) and LNB(61.5 - unconnected right now but i would like to use it) and b4 they were using a Dish Pro switch to combine the 3 lnbs. It was all wired all neatly so I didn't want to run my own wiring the only thing i changed was the switch. Would it make a difference in this case?

You'll have to "test it' and see bro.Thats what the games all about :yes:
I sure am curious though.Pull it and see what you get hooking straight to the 119 lnb.Set up your LNB's for signal on the 119 and 110 and if you get signal then you have a built in switch.try the different port landings on the LNB's
Let us know how it goes.
Sp0iler

mohsinic
01-30-2008, 08:30 AM
Okay I did all my testing. The Dishpro Swtich doesn;t work @ all so i went back to the disec swtich now the problem I am having is that some of the channels say weak signal sometimes but work other times. So I don't understand how to fix this problem? If you have any more suggestions that would be great. I mean i know the dish is pointed correctly b/c if it wasn;t then the channels wouldn;t work @ all.

sp0iler
01-30-2008, 05:51 PM
Your weak signals can be caused by any number of reasons.I live in an area where I get two other cities "spot beams" at certain hours and the rest of the time its just the " weak signal " message.Took me a couple of days to figure that one out.
Could also be a polarity issue with the lnbs and/or the diseqc switch.This is most likely your problem (IMO).Doulbe check that your landing on all the correct ports.
All your cable runs and dish have a good ground,Right?
Atleast you learned you have a dead built in switch.Thats good progress.
$50 bucks at the famous auction site and you could have a shiney new dish if you find anything else wrong.
Keep testing...your close,:yes:
Sp0iler